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View Poll Results: Which of the five is most Southern?
Atlanta gets a (5) because it is the most Southern city 141 76.63%
Houston gets a (5) because it is the most Southern city 13 7.07%
Dallas gets a (5) because it is the most Southern city 17 9.24%
Miami gets a (5) because it is the most Southern city 1 0.54%
Washington D.C. gets a (5) because it is the most Southern city 3 1.63%
Its hard to decide, they are all equally Southern cities 9 4.89%
Voters: 184. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-28-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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I get that, but I guess I don't see golf as something totally different from Southern culture. Now had you said hockey, I could see that.



I've found that as a visitor to Jacksonville on more than one occasion.
Jacksonville displays the southern hospitality more than other big Florida cities for sure. One of the reasons why it's a Florida city with southern tones.

Yet, I would say the southern hospitality of Jax was not on the level of Tennessee or Virginia when I stopped in those states. That's where those Florida traits are starting to come in there.
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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Jacksonville displays the southern hospitality more than other big Florida cities for sure. One of the reasons why it's a Florida city with southern tones.

Yet, I would say the southern hospitality of Jax was not on the level of Tennessee or Virginia when I stopped in those states. That's where those Florida traits are starting to come in there.
You must be excluding Northern VA.... Southern Hospitality doesn't exist.
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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Jacksonville displays the southern hospitality more than other big Florida cities for sure. One of the reasons why it's a Florida city with southern tones.

Yet, I would say the southern hospitality of Jax was not on the level of Tennessee or Virginia when I stopped in those states. That's where those Florida traits are starting to come in there.
I think you're just playing semantics. Jacksonville is a Southern city in Florida. I don't know why you're so averse to calling it a Southern city. Well I'm pretty sure I can guess but yeah...
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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I think you're just playing semantics. Jacksonville is a Southern city in Florida. I don't know why you're so averse to calling it a Southern city. Well I'm pretty sure I can guess but yeah...
As already discussed, components of Spanish history, the big developments of Henry Flagler, large water sport/beach culture, Spanish architecture and stucco houses/buildings, and cuisine really dilute the mainstream southern culture in Jax and making it more of a Floridian city.

Again, just because there it has some traits of mainstream southern culture doesn't make it purely mainstream southern city as stated by previous posts.

You can make a similar argument with New Orleans. The big difference I find with New Orleans is that southern hospitality is more prevalent there when compared to Florida, including Jax. Southern hospitality is a major component of mainstream southern culture, and something you don't find in Florida, or at least typically at the same level.

Edit: Saying Jax is southern because it has some traits and mannerism of southern culture is like saying Phoenix is a Californian culture because of In-n-Out burger, popularity of Sierra Nevada craft beer, and it's landscape is similar to the Inland Empire, despite that it's in Arizona.

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Old 12-28-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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As already discussed, components of Spanish history, the big developments of Henry Flagler, large water sport/beach culture, Spanish architecture and stucco houses/buildings, and cuisine really dilute the mainstream southern culture in Jax and making it more of a Floridian city.

Again, just because there it has some traits of mainstream southern culture doesn't make it purely mainstream southern city as stated by previous posts.

You can make a similar argument with New Orleans. The big difference I find with New Orleans is that southern hospitality is more prevalent there when compared to Florida, including Jax. Southern hospitality is a major component of mainstream southern culture, and something you don't find in Florida, or at least typically at the same level.
Nobody is making this "purity" argument that you keep harping on. Several Southern cities have other cultural influences to some degree or another, historically and/or currently; simply calling them Southern cities doesn't negate that.

Jacksonville is a Southern city in Florida. There's absolutely nothing wrong or inaccurate about that statement.

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Edit: Saying Jax is southern because it has some traits and mannerism of southern culture is like saying Phoenix is a Californian culture because of In-n-Out burger, popularity of Sierra Nevada craft beer, and it's landscape is similar to the Inland Empire, despite that it's in Arizona.
Except Phoenix is not in California. Jacksonville is literally in the American South.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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I think these maps are useful in this discussion about the cities in question:

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Old 12-28-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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Nobody is making this "purity" argument that you keep harping on. Several Southern cities have other cultural influences to some degree or another, historically and/or currently; simply calling them Southern cities doesn't negate that.

Jacksonville is a Southern city in Florida. There's absolutely nothing wrong or inaccurate about that statement.



Except Phoenix is not in California. Jacksonville is literally in the American South.
As discussed, there is a lot of aspects that separate Florida culture from southern culture.

True, several southern cities have other cultural influences, but nowhere near on the level of Florida or at least the cities here that have ties to the American south, e.g., Jax. As I stated before, the only southern city comparable is perhaps New Orleans in this area.

When I'm Jax I see Spanish stucco archiecture, popularity of beaches and water sports, lots of boats, key lime pie, citrus farms - I don't associate these things when I think of southern culture. Hence, that is why I don't consider Jax a true southern city. As someone who lives in the Jax metro, my argument holds merit.

Being located in the American south doesn't equate to "southern city." Miami and Brownsville are most southern cities in Florida and Texas, yet southern culture is nonexistent in these places.

There's a reason people say "Florida geographically is southern, but culturally it is not."

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Old 12-28-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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I love the DC/Baltimore divide in the linguistic map for Most of America realizes that New York really is "The City." and The Northeast (and south Florida) puts on "sneakers"; everyone else finds a pair of "tennis shoes.". The divide is there in the Dialect map too.
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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As discussed, there is a lot of aspects that separate Florida culture from southern culture.

True, several southern cities have other cultural influences, but nowhere near on the level of Florida or at least the cities here that have ties to the American south, e.g., Jax. As I stated before, the only southern city comparable is perhaps New Orleans in this area.

When I'm Jax I see Spanish stucco archiecture, popularity of beaches and water sports, lots of boats, key lime pie, citrus farms - I don't associate these things when I think of southern culture. Hence, that is why I don't consider Jax a true southern city.

Being located in the American south doesn't equate to "southern city." Miami and Brownsville are most southern cities in Florida and Texas, yet southern culture is nonexistent in these places.

There's a reason people say "Florida geographically is southern, but culturally it is not."
Jacksonville is Southern. I know it pains you to think of yourself as living in a Southern city in Florida, but you do. Just look at the maps I posted; there's very little doubt of it.

Heck, the city even gave itself the nickname "Bold New City of the South."
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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Florida is southern to me, save Miami.
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