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Old 09-16-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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Chicago has always had a weather problem; that's nothing new. But gun violence in particular is pretty horrible in Chicago, and Black people are voting with their feet it seems.
Gun violence in Chicago is terrible, but it's no worse than gun violence and several other cities that are growing in black population. DC and Atlanta actually have worst murder and violent crime rates. So do Detroit, Indianapolis in Kansas City, which have black population growth rates.

The fact that President Obama calls Chicago home please no little part in the medians of session with Chicago's gun violence.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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Gun violence in Chicago is terrible, but it's no worse than gun violence and several other cities that are growing in black population. DC and Atlanta actually have worst murder and violent crime rates. So do Detroit, Indianapolis in Kansas City, which have black population growth rates.

The fact that President Obama calls Chicago home please no little part in the medians of session with Chicago's gun violence.
Even if it's mostly a perception issue (which I wouldn't say), you can't put the blame solely on weather.
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Gun violence in Chicago is terrible, but it's no worse than gun violence and several other cities that are growing in black population. DC and Atlanta actually have worst murder and violent crime rates. So do Detroit, Indianapolis in Kansas City, which have black population growth rates.

The fact that President Obama calls Chicago home please no little part in the medians of session with Chicago's gun violence.
Well this year Chicago has a higher murder rate than both Atlanta and DC, but unlike Chicago, the vast majority of the black populations in Atlanta and DC live in the suburbs so they're not dealing with the bad crime rates. Only about 220k blacks live in the city of Atlanta while the remaining 1.8 million live in the suburbs. With Chicago, about 650k blacks in the city of Chicago while about 800k blacks live in the suburbs and Chicago has really really rough suburbs like Gary where large numbers of blacks live as well. Atlanta has maybe East Point which is a dangerous suburb, but it's relatively small. Most blacks in the Atlanta area live in areas where the murder rate is less than 5/100k. This is a similar story with D.C. with slightly higher percentage living in the city.

So it's sort of irrelevant to talk about crime and murder rates of the individual cities if most blacks who move to the Atlanta area move to the safer suburbs anyway.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Well this year Chicago has a higher murder rate than both Atlanta and DC, but unlike Chicago, the vast majority of the black populations in Atlanta and DC live in the suburbs so they're not dealing with the bad crime rates. Only about 220k blacks live in the city of Atlanta while the remaining 1.8 million live in the suburbs. With Chicago, about 650k blacks in the city of Chicago while about 800k blacks live in the suburbs and Chicago has really really rough suburbs like Gary where large numbers of blacks live as well. Atlanta has maybe East Point which is a dangerous suburb, but it's relatively small. Most blacks in the Atlanta area live in areas where the murder rate is less than 5/100k. This is a similar story with D.C. with slightly higher percentage living in the city.

So it's sort of irrelevant to talk about crime and murder rates of the individual cities if most blacks who move to the Atlanta area move to the safer suburbs anyway.
Gary is not a suburb of Chicago. It's a city in Indiana.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Gary is not a suburb of Chicago. It's a city in Indiana.
Cities can have suburbs in other states. Hammond, IN is definitely a suburb as it directly borders the city of Chicago.

Gary is classified as either a suburb or a satellite city of Chicago.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Well this year Chicago has a higher murder rate than both Atlanta and DC, but unlike Chicago, the vast majority of the black populations in Atlanta and DC live in the suburbs so they're not dealing with the bad crime rates. Only about 220k blacks live in the city of Atlanta while the remaining 1.8 million live in the suburbs. With Chicago, about 650k blacks in the city of Chicago while about 800k blacks live in the suburbs and Chicago has really really rough suburbs like Gary where large numbers of blacks live as well. Atlanta has maybe East Point which is a dangerous suburb, but it's relatively small. Most blacks in the Atlanta area live in areas where the murder rate is less than 5/100k. This is a similar story with D.C. with slightly higher percentage living in the city.

So it's sort of irrelevant to talk about crime and murder rates of the individual cities if most blacks who move to the Atlanta area move to the safer suburbs anyway.
I wouldn't call Gary a suburb, as it is essentially an industrial city, which actually has some middle class areas. Adjacent Merrillville, if I'm not mistaken is pluralistically more Black and has a higher Black median household income than White median household income. This is while having an overall median household income above the Indiana figure. Chicago has outer South and SW suburbs that have high to predominately Black population that are middle class as well.

Within Chicago, its outer SW city neighborhoods also has high to predominately Black areas that are middle class.

So, you can find Black middle class areas within and outside of the city of Chicago as well.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Cities can have suburbs in other states. Hammond, IN is definitely a suburb as it directly borders the city of Chicago.

Gary is classified as either a suburb or a satellite city of Chicago.
Do you live in the Chicago area? No one here refers to Gary as a suburb of Chicago. It's a city in Indiana located within the Chicago MSA.

Hammond isn't a suburb of Chicago either.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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I wouldn't call Gary a suburb, as it is essentially an industrial city, which actually has some middle class areas.
That doesn't mean it can't be a suburb. Camden, NJ is in the same boat and it is a suburb of Philly. However, it's not "suburban" in the sense of being a post-WWII bedroom community but in terms of its relationship to the primary city of the metro area.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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Do you live in the Chicago area? No one here refers to Gary as a suburb of Chicago. It's a city in Indiana located in the Chicago MSA.
And why is it in the MSA? Clearly Gary has a dependency on Chicago and at the least, it's a satellite city. Calling it a suburb really isn't a stretch.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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And why is it in the MSA? Clearly Gary has a dependency on Chicago and at the least, it's a satellite city. Calling it a suburb really isn't a stretch.
Gary is in the Chicago MSA because it meets the criteria to be included as defined by the US Census Bureau. That doesn't mean it's a suburb of Chicago.
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