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Old 03-29-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn the best borough in NYC!
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Not sure why Harlem is being mentioned constantly. Harlem is not the only black area in NYC and black folks have been leaving Harlem since the expansion of the subway and development of the other boroughs that would come.

African Americans in Harlem fled to Brooklyn when the A/C lines were built and also fled to Queens when southeast Queens was developed and provided communities with backyards and front lawns for black folks to have more space and a true sense of the American Dream.

Harlem would later get destroyed when NyC went broke and heroin and crack flooded the streets.

So no black folks have been leaving Harlem way before gentrification even started. Harlem is old news And shouldn’t be the first and primary community that pops up in someone’s head even discussing NYCs black community!
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn the best borough in NYC!
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Harlem was a Black mecca, but has been slowly dissolving in the last 2 decades, Right now Harlem is going trough rapid gentrification and population replacement. The current black mecca is Atlanta. IMHO. The graph below is kinda old, black population in central Harlem could fall bellow 50% this year or next. Its currently below 30% in west Harlem already. Same for Crown Heights and other Central Brooklyn Neighborhoods.
That’s not true. Crown Heights while it has a decreasing population it it still over 70% Black.

Bed Stuy is also 70% black and also still one of the largest black neighborhoods in America!

Those neighborhoods are not close to falling below 30% of the population in comparison to Harlem!

Flatbush while I don’t know the percentage of blacks living there is also overwhelmingly black and only diverse in the western portion of the community next to South Prospect Park! East of Flatbush Ave between the streets of Bedford, Rogers and Nostrand is easily 90% Black.
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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Not sure why Harlem is being mentioned constantly. Harlem is not the only black area in NYC and black folks have been leaving Harlem since the expansion of the subway and development of the other boroughs that would come.

African Americans in Harlem fled to Brooklyn when the A/C lines were built and also fled to Queens when southeast Queens was developed and provided communities with backyards and front lawns for black folks to have more space and a true sense of the American Dream.

Harlem would later get destroyed when NyC went broke and heroin and crack flooded the streets.

So no black folks have been leaving Harlem way before gentrification even started. Harlem is old news And shouldn’t be the first and primary community that pops up in someone’s head even discussing NYCs black community!
Pretending you dont know why Harlem is being mentioned a lot is just ridiculous, Harlem was the center of black everything for the last 100 years, from the Harlem renaissance to Malcolm X, so stop pretending. Those deep Queens neighborhoods you insist in mentioning are just irrelevant, thats why no ones cares.
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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Pretending you dont know why Harlem is being mentioned a lot is just ridiculous, Harlem was the center of black everything for the last 100 years, from the Harlem renaissance to Malcolm X, so stop pretending. Those deep Queens neighborhoods you insist in mentioning are just irrelevant, thats why no ones cares.
The thread is talking about what is needed for a city to black mecca. You are aware Harlem isn’t even a middle class black neighborhood and hasn’t been for years? Harlem was ghetto, impoverished and run down in the 1970s through the 1990s.

Harlem didn’t go from renessaince to gentrification. Most of the black middle class and upper class left the community very long ago and established in other parts of the city.

Nobody is pretending I know the history of black folks in NYC like I know my birthday!

Harlem was a renessaince that became a huge dump and then went through gentrification!

Lmao what? Those neighborhoods in Queens, Bronx and Brooklyn I am mentioning are relevant to this discussion because they are black, over 80-90% black with high homeownership and black businesses.

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Old 03-29-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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That’s not true. Crown Heights while it has a decreasing population it it still over 70% Black.

Bed Stuy is also 70% black and also still one of the largest black neighborhoods in America!

Those neighborhoods are not close to falling below 30% of the population in comparison to Harlem!

Flatbush while I don’t know the percentage of blacks living there is also overwhelmingly black and only diverse in the western portion of the community next to South Prospect Park! East of Flatbush Ave between the streets of Bedford, Rogers and Nostrand is easily 90% Black.
Go the american Fact finder of the US census, the Black population of crown heights- zip code 11225- dropped from 74% in 2011 to 64% in 2016. Thats a 10% drop in 5 years!!, 2% per year. At this speed it will fall below 50% in less than 5 years as gentrification tends to accelerate with time.

The other crown heights zip code -11216- went from 74 to 60 in the same 5 years. An even sharper drop.

those neighborhoods are done.

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Old 03-29-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Based on what criteria?
Based on a declining population, based in the fact that there are so many black people moving out of NYC to southern cities, which, with the help of people from other areas as well, are creating newer, more prominent black Meccas.
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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Go the american Fact finder of the US census, the Black population of crown heights- zip code 11225- dropped from 74% in 2011 to 64% in 2016. Thats a 10% drop in 5 years!!, 2% per year. At this speed it will fall below 50% in less than 5 years as gentrification tends to accelerate with time.

those neighborhoods are done.
And neighborhoods like Flatlands, Mill Basin, Marine Park gained a growth in the percentage of black folks.

“The black population is surging in what was traditionally one of the whitest corners of southern Brooklyn, census data show.

The number of black residents shot up 241% in Mill Basin, Georgetown, Bergen Beach and Marine Park - the biggest percentage point jump in the city.”

Black pop. growing in south Bk. - NY Daily News
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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Based on a declining population, based in the fact that there are so many black people moving out of NYC to southern cities, which, with the help of people from other areas as well, are creating newer, more prominent black Meccas.
NYC Metro still has the largest number of blacks in America and also one of the highest amounts of middle class areas. Black professionals also still move up to NYC. Clinton Hill, Forte Green and Harlem are black professional hot spots so nope. Still a top tier city and also the city with the most diverse black population!
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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And neighborhoods like Flatlands, Mill Basin, Marine Park gained a growth in the percentage of black folks.

“The black population is surging in what was traditionally one of the whitest corners of southern Brooklyn, census data show.

The number of black residents shot up 241% in Mill Basin, Georgetown, Bergen Beach and Marine Park - the biggest percentage point jump in the city.”

Black pop. growing in south Bk. - NY Daily News
Gentrification is pushing them out of the center of the city. Also a lot of those are new comers from the Caribbean. those neighborhoods are also lower density, meaning that even if the percentage of black people seems to increase, it dosent make up for the loss in higher density areas like crown heights.

Black people are moving to the south and white people (and Asians) are gentrifying the old north, those are the facts of the day.
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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Also upthere22 what exactly is a “relevant” and “irrelevant” black neighborhood? Lmao. Does that even make any sense lol?

Don’t argue with 12 year old logic please.
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