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Old 09-27-2015, 10:34 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Wow, according to the recent lists, Washington, DC is the real black mecca.
That's because historically it has been, Atlanta just got hot around the late 90's and early 2000's and has been doing its thing ever since. DC however kind of layed out the blue print, if you will, originally. Thus DC has a further established successful black population.
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I tend to think of Houston as a half-tier above Dallas, but they are pretty close.
I don't know too much about either. I know some people, most Nigerian, who think very highly of Houston. Then I know some others who like Dallas. I could see Houston having the edge but I've always thought of both as being more or less on the same level.

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That's a decent methodology, but I think the sociocultural category should also be inclusive of a city's history in terms of important developments that have shaped Black American history. Black-oriented special events that draw large crowds should also be considered. I know these things can be very subjective but they should be accounted for somehow.
I think the cultural institutions would capture much of that. But I agree that you could also factor in Black-oriented events and things of that nature. I would still, however, put much more weight on educational attainment since cities with lots of educated Black people are bound to have more cultural things geared towards Blacks anyway.
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:50 AM
 
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That's because historically it has been, Atlanta just got hot around the late 90's and early 2000's and has been doing its thing ever since. DC however kind of layed out the blue print, if you will, originally. Thus DC has a further established successful black population.
Very true, although I'd argue that Atlanta started getting hot in the post-war era in the 70's when the reverse migration began taking hold, and historically the AUC institutions in particular have been big draws for Blacks. DC is unique in that it had a sizable Black population since the city was established and was also a recipient of large numbers of Black migrants during the Great Migration. Also, being that Blacks have historically been disproportionately employed by the government, DC has also had an advantage on that front.
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:50 AM
 
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I think NY, DC, Houston, DFW, Miami are attracting too much of a range of people to be singled out as a Black mecca.

However, Atlanta is also picking up on their Asian (especially korean and Indian) and hispanic population so Atlanta is getting to be a everybody Mecca too.

I don't see NY, DC, Houston, DFW, Miami, LA, SF, Boston or Chicago as Chocolate cities.

I see Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans, Memphis, etc as chocolate cities but Atlanta is the only one in the last few decades that has been growing their black population at a super fast pace.

So in my opinion, because it is just catching up in the Asian and Latin category and growing fast in the black category I think it is the reigning Black mecca. All other big cities are disqualified.
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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That's because historically it has been, Atlanta just got hot around the late 90's and early 2000's and has been doing its thing ever since. DC however kind of layed out the blue print, if you will, originally. Thus DC has a further established successful black population.
That's not accurate. Read about the history of Atlanta's Black community.

The federal government and federal contractors are the biggest advantage DC has over every other city. Federal contractors are required, by law, to implement affirmative action plans.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm

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Old 09-27-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I think NY, DC, Houston, DFW, Miami are attracting too much of a range of people to be singled out as a Black mecca.

However, Atlanta is also picking up on their Asian (especially korean and Indian) and hispanic population so Atlanta is getting to be a everybody Mecca too.

I don't see NY, DC, Houston, DFW, Miami, LA, SF, Boston or Chicago as Chocolate cities.

I see Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans, Memphis, etc as chocolate cities but Atlanta is the only one in the last few decades that has been growing their black population at a super fast pace.

So in my opinion, because it is just catching up in the Asian and Latin category and growing fast in the black category I think it is the reigning Black mecca. All other big cities are disqualified.
Which is why magnet is a better term to use than mecca.
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:08 AM
 
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That's not accurate. Read about the history of Atlanta's Black community.

The federal government and federal contractors are the biggest advantage DC has over every other city. Federal contractors are required, by law, to implement affirmative action plans.

U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Hiring - Affirmative Action
Yep; this is why Black folks have historically been disproportionately employed by the government, at all levels.
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Which is why magnet is a better term to use than mecca.
Isn't that whole point in calling it a "mecca"? Whether you call it a "magnet" or a "mecca," you're saying the same thing.

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A black mecca, in the United States, is a city to which African Americans, particularly professionals,[1] are drawn to live, due to some or all of the following factors:

superior economic opportunities for blacks, often as assessed by the presence of a large black upper-middle and upper class
black political power in a city
leading black educational institutions in a city
a city's leading role in black arts, music, and other culture
harmonious black-white race relations in a city
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_mecca
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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That's not accurate. Read about the history of Atlanta's Black community.

The federal government and federal contractors are the biggest advantage DC has over every other city. Federal contractors are required, by law, to implement affirmative action plans.

U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Hiring - Affirmative Action
That vast majority of blacks in high level positions you just posted in which DC leads almost every category, were not federal government contracting positions.
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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That vast majority of blacks in high level positions you just posted in which DC leads almost every category, were not federal government contracting positions.
That has nothing to do with whether Atlanta "just got hot in the 90s." You need to read about Maynard Jackson and how he expanded Black political and economic influence in Atlanta during the 1970s. He was every bit as instrumental in expanding the Black middle class in Atlanta as Marion Barry was in DC.

The Reverse Migration cast a brighter spotlight on Atlanta but it wasn't like Black affluence and political clout was something new there (the Reverse Migration has also helped DC but fewer people talk about that since it's not in the Deep South).
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