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I'd have to disagree. Black radio is more than just music; it's still a major means of communications with Black audiences when it comes to social, political, religious, etc. events. And yes HBCUs still hold major sway in Black America not only in terms of education, but also socially. Homecomings, tournaments, classics, etc. are still major Black social events, even for millenials. If you doubt it, just ask how many of them are planning on hitting up Howard's homecoming, SpelHouse's homecoming, GHOE, CIAA, Bayou Classic, etc. this year/early next year, even if they didn't or don't attend an HBCU.
i agree with radio but hbcu seems only affect southern way of life. according to this list there arent any hbcu's in new york or new jersey so according to the definition on the first post, nyc cant be considered a black mecca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_universities
Yep and it is a very diverse Black community/population too.
Yep. Most of the black people in Boston seem to from different Caribbean countries, or at least of Caribbean descent. A lot of Hatians up here. Plenty of Jamaicans and Trinis, too.
I see it differently; to not be the nation's--actually the world's--foremost global city or the capital of the richest, militarily strongest nation on Earth, Atlanta performs exceptionally well when it comes to its Black population, even in some categories where it's not particularly strong as a metro area. In most of these categories--and there are other relevant ones that haven't been posted--I see Atlanta coming in second or third in terms of raw numbers, and it ranks second in terms of overall Black population and third in terms of its degreed Black population in raw numbers so this looks about right to me.
How so? Atlanta tops both of them in the vast majority of the categories Bajan posted, namely physicians and surgeons, attorneys, accountants, architects, civil engineers, financial analysts, software developers, dentists, post-secondary teachers, medical and life scientists, mathematicians and statisticians, economists, biochemists and microbiologists, pharmacists, executive/senior level officials and managers, mechanical engineers, biomedical engineers, psychologists, public relations specialists, fashion/graphic/interior designers, models/demonstrators/product promoters, and broadcast news analysts. That's a whopping 22 categories Atlanta bests Chicago and LA in, while Chicago beats Atlanta in only four categories (financial managers, writers/authors, media/communications workers, and chemical engineers) and LA beats Atlanta in six categories, all entertainment-related (musicians/singers, artists, writers/authors, actors, photographers, and editors). So yeah, I'm not really sure what sort of issue Chicago and LA present for Atlanta.
Boston I'll give you, but Philly? You'd be wrong on that point. Philly was home to the largest free Black population during the days of slavery, the two oldest HBCUs in the country are just outside the city, it is home to the country's oldest Black denomination, it was a major destination city during the Great Migration due to the plethora of manufacturing jobs, and it produced some of the biggest Black musical artists. But still, my point is that saying that Atlanta falls short compared to Northeastern cities is way off base.
Manufacturing yes. But then you may as well consider Detroit. I'm referring to White Collar. Professional. Not to take anything away from Philadelphia, but I thought that those were the parameters we were working with.
i agree with radio but hbcu seems only affect southern way of life. according to this list there arent any hbcu's in new york or new jersey so according to the definition on the first post, nyc cant be considered a black mecca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_universities
I don't think a city has to have an HBCU to be considered a Black mecca, but that certainly helps...a lot. NYC has the largest Black population in the country by far, a storied Black history, and is a magnet for tons of HBCU grads so it still makes the cut.
i agree with radio but hbcu seems only affect southern way of life. according to this list there arent any hbcu's in new york or new jersey so according to the definition on the first post, nyc cant be considered a black mecca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_universities
Right. That's why the measure is hazy. When was the last time New York was good for Blacks. Considering the poverty in that city and the fact that many of the poor Blacks are getting priced out of the metro. Even during the Harlem Renaissance there was a lot of poverty. The one thing I would give New York is that the possibilities are endless. NYC did have a Black mayor 20 years ago, and a lot of companies were established on the back of hip-hop. But the legacy has been sold out to multinational corporations.
It might be better to tweak the definition to include cities and metropolitan areas where Blacks are able to fully realize their potential, as opposed to merely looking at areas with a well known Black professional, or Black collegiate infrastructure. That works for Blacks that are on that track, but for everyone else its insular. The cultural singularity that used to define the Black experience does not exist to the degree it did when I attended college.
Manufacturing yes. But then you may as well consider Detroit. I'm referring to White Collar. Professional. Not to take anything away from Philadelphia, but I thought that those were the parameters we were working with.
Your statement was "Boston and Philadelphia were never that great for Blacks," which is patently false as far as Philly goes. And yes, Detroit was great for Blacks as well. I mean seriously, what is the extent of your knowledge of Black history? LOL Your statement is inclusive of the past.
Right. That's why the measure is hazy. When was the last time New York was good for Blacks. Considering the poverty in that city and the fact that many of the poor Blacks are getting priced out of the metro. Even during the Harlem Renaissance there was a lot of poverty. The one thing I would give New York is that the possibilities are endless. NYC did have a Black mayor 20 years ago, and a lot of companies were established on the back of hip-hop. But the legacy has been sold out to multinational corporations.
It might be better to tweak the definition to include cities and metropolitan areas where Blacks are able to fully realize their potential, as opposed to merely looking at areas with a well known Black professional, or Black collegiate infrastructure. That works for Blacks that are on that track, but for everyone else its insular. The cultural singularity that used to define the Black experience does not exist to the degree it did when I attended college.
Uhhh, the cities with a lot of Black college-educated professionals in particular are the cities where Blacks HAVE "fully realized their potential." What else do you think the statistics Bajan posted indicate?
It might be better to tweak the definition to include cities and metropolitan areas where Blacks are able to fully realize their potential, as opposed to merely looking at areas with a well known Black professional, or Black collegiate infrastructure. That works for Blacks that are on that track, but for everyone else its insular.
And how do you manage to measure that?
You are the first person I've ever heard say that we shouldn't determine how well Blacks are doing in a given metro by looking at statistics that show how well they are doing in a given metro.
LOL, pretty much. PHILLY is not good for blacks?!? Also, I'm in Boston right now and not saying it's a Black Mecca, but as much as people say it's an "anti-black" city, I'm surprised at how many black people there are here and how much they intermingle with the white Bostonians. I have even seen a lot of black/white interracial relationships here as well and nobody even looks or cares. Boston isn't as anti-black as a lot of people make it out to be.
Boston isn't anti-Black in the sense there's constant outright hostility against Black people. It's just not a terrific place for Black people (most places aren't). Boston has a hard time attracting young Black professionals and most of the Black students there would rather start careers in NYC, DC, LA, Chicago or Atlanta.
i agree with radio but hbcu seems only affect southern way of life. according to this list there arent any hbcu's in new york or new jersey so according to the definition on the first post, nyc cant be considered a black mecca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_universities
There are HBCU's in OH, PA and MO. So, there are HBCU's outside of the South. You do have colleges/universities in the North that have a very high Black percentage and have for a long time like Chicago State and some CUNY schools. There were institutions of higher learning in the North that had high Black percentages in the 1800's like NY Central College and the Oneida Institute/Whitestown Seminary that could have potentially became HBCU's, if they lasted beyond a handful of years.
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