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Old 09-15-2015, 10:55 PM
 
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but migratory trends among Blacks shifted southward a long time ago so Philly will be going against the current in that regard. I can see the city attracting some of everybody going forward, but I don't see it being the draw that Atlanta and DC are, or even Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, etc.
- I don't understand why migratory patterns are so important. Philly's AA population is relatively consistent year to year, we don't necessarily need more AA's. Between the people who live in the region and the plethora of college students, we have more than enough diversity -- this should be obvious.


- Among the places you listed, I don't view them as being a superior draw compared to Philadelphia -- maybe based on stereotypes, but as a lifelong Philadelphian, aside from a tremendous job opportunity, there's no way I'd ever live in any of those places, except for maybe D.C.




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There's certainly no shortage of these sorts of events, I can definitely say that much.
- There aren't many cities in the United States that have events greater than or equal to Odunde (40 years strong). The cities that do have events of similar scale probably meet most of the criteria presented by the O.P. for black mecca locations.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:08 PM
 
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- I don't understand why migratory patterns are so important. Philly's AA population is relatively consistent year to year, we don't necessarily need more AA's. Between the people who live in the region and the plethora of college students, we have more than enough diversity -- this should be obvious.


In terms of being a "mecca," migratory patterns play a pretty big role. If the city isn't really a magnet for African American migrants, then that's a strike in terms of truly being a mecca. Diversity levels is another subject altogether.

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- Among the places you listed, I don't view them as being a superior draw compared to Philadelphia -- maybe based on stereotypes, but as a lifelong Philadelphian, aside from a tremendous job opportunity, there's no way I'd ever live in any of those places, except for maybe D.C.
I'm not talking about personal preferences; I'm talking about statistics. Those other cities draw a lot more Black migrants than Philly does.

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- There aren't many cities in the United States that have events greater than or equal to Odunde (40 years strong). The cities that do have events of similar scale probably meet most of the criteria presented by the O.P. for black mecca locations.
This is true and is evidence of Philly's legacy status among Blacks; that's not being questioned.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:10 PM
 
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I have been hearing a lot of people throw around the term “New black mecca”referring to cities that are in their opinion the new black meccas. People have been throwing around this term a little too much these days. A city can’t belabeled the new black mecca just because black people are moving to said cities. Certain standards and criteria’s must be met in order to claim thetitle. There has to be a standard just like there is a standard that must be met to join the military. Having lived in true black mecca cities such as Atlanta and DC (NYC) there are certain things and a certain lifestyle that these cities have that make them true black meccas from history, having multiple nightlife options with well dressed AA, eventsthat bring large amounts of blacks in the city all the time, dozens of AA neighborhoods, plenty of black businesses, etc. This thread is to set astandard on what a city should have at a minimum to even be mentioned as a black mecca. A city that is a good city for blacks is totally different than saying said city is a new black mecca. Some people don't know any better so this is to inform those people what things a true black mecca city should have

Nightlife: Must have a diverse nightlife for all blacks. All blacks to include professionals, neo soul/spoken word crowd, etc. Does the averageprofessional black person have at least 10 options per night on the weekend for places to go to that aren’t ratchet? In most cities it is easy to find ghetto spots but what about places with well dress professionals? Nightlife should consist of live music, mega clubs, lounges, dive bars, happy hours, networking events, etc. Are there at least two places that are packed on Monday and Tuesday night?

Middle Class/Upper Middle Class neighborhoods: Your city musthave at least 20 middle class majority AA subdivisions. For this topic amajority is at least 80% instead of 51%

Radio stations: Must have at least four radio stations that play either R&B, Hip Hop/Old School music

Black Events: City must have at least five huge homegrown events that bring at least 30,000 people to the city annually. Homecoming and national music tours do not count since they are unique to any city.

HBCU: Must have at least one well known historical black college within the metro area

History: What significant national history does your city have regarding African Americans?

Trends: What trends have your city created? Not local trends but national trends

Black businesses: Your city must have plenty of black businesses. Not just talking about hair salons and wing stands.

Mayor: Said city must have had at least 3 AA mayors in the past 30 years.

Unemployment Rate: Since most cities are out of the recession I decided not to include this



Atl, NYC and DC have set the standard on the different criteria's listed above for the most part. When people visit these cities they can except to have these standardslisted above in above average quantities. With that being said a city might not have everything on this list but overall they are still true black meccas.

Why is this list needed? A standard has to be set. I cant say for example Minot, ND is the new Hispanic mecca if they have no Hispanic radio stations, Hispanic events, etc. I can say it is but I would lose credibility.

I/m glad you included black middle class/upper class, because people seem to act like Detroit is a black mecca.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:13 PM
 
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I/m glad you included black middle class/upper class, because people seem to act like Detroit is a black mecca.
Historically it is; at one point the city has the nation's largest Black middle class due to the auto industry. And I understand that Detroit does indeed have more than a few Black middle/upper class neighborhoods in the suburbs.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:18 PM
 
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NYC is a tricky one. There are a lot of black professional events and hang out spots, but for the most part I think most of the attendees I would assume are probably transplants. If we are talking about the QOL for AA specifically than I would say NYC isn't really good place for AAs, since many are leaving and continue to do so today. NYC middle class is pretty much mostly West Indians, and for the most part they only cater to black events that cater to their roots.

Bed Stuy and Harlem are good locations to find many cool AA hang out spots.

OP, you should visit this site called idontdoclubs.com. Its a blog site created to track down the black businesses of NYC, and since NYC has probably the largest diverse black communities in the nation, it includes all types of businesses from AA to Jamaican/Haitian all the way to Ethiopian. Its my source of finding cool things to do.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:20 PM
 
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Historically it is; at one point the city has the nation's largest Black middle class due to the auto industry. And I understand that Detroit does indeed have more than a few Black middle/upper class neighborhoods in the suburbs.
Historically yes, but with the high crime rates, and urban decay to me it doesn't really speak out. Parts of Maryland, and Atlanta speak out to me more. Also the middle/upper class black neighborhoods in L.A are still very strong.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:22 PM
 
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NYC is a tricky one. There are a lot of black professional events and hang out spots, but for the most part I think most of the attendees I would assume are probably transplants. If we are talking about the QOL for AA specifically than I would say NYC isn't really good place for AAs, since many are leaving and continue to do so today. NYC middle class is pretty much mostly West Indians, and for the most part they only cater to black events that cater to their roots.

Bed Stuy and Harlem are good locations to find many cool AA hang out spots.

OP, you should visit this site called idontdoclubs.com. Its a blog site created to track down the black businesses of NYC, and since NYC has probably the largest diverse black communities in the nation, it includes all types of businesses from AA to Jamaican/Haitian all the way to Ethiopian. Its my source of finding cool things to do.
NYC is definitely included and there's still a sizable African American middle class in the city, and it still remains a draw for Black college graduates (although not quite like DC and Atlanta from what I can tell). And in Atlanta and DC, most of the attendees at Black professional events and hang out spots are transplants as well because those cities are major magnets for transplants overall.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:24 PM
 
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Historically yes, but with the high crime rates, and urban decay to me it doesn't really speak out. Parts of Maryland, and Atlanta speak out to me more. Also the middle/upper class black neighborhoods in L.A are still very strong.
Yeah I wouldn't call it a mecca today, but Detroit's historical status as such can't be denied. It has contributed a great deal to the Black American narrative.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:30 PM
 
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Default Very simple

A "black mecca" is

1) A city where a black person can simply be a person, without reference to race. They are viewed as people who happen to be black, not black people.
2) It is a place where a black person, as simply a person, has no restrictions, is given the utmost of consideration, and is free to pursue their noble goals without racial restrictions.
3) It is a place where those blacks who embrace high educational achievement, those who strive for all that is high and noble, those who are not stereotypical, not criminally-inclined, not interested in rap and hip-hop culture, those who are on the front lines as lawyers, doctors, engineers, scientists, mathematicians, scholars, and so forth, can thrive as people without limits.
4) It is a place where commonality is not defined by race.
5) It is a place where black people don't hate each other, as well as themselves, by committing crimes against each other, and for instance demonstrating the ignorant trait of favoring lighter skin, "good hair", non-brown eyes, thin nose and lips over darker skin, "nappy hair", brown eyes, thick nose and lips.
6) It is a place where ignorance among black people does not work to undermine the black family, or encourage betrayal and/or abandonment of parental and marital responsibilities.
7) It is a place where black women are viewed for what they are, and respected as such. Black women are magnificent women of great beauty, depth, intelligence, character, and passion. They should never be mistreated, betrayed, abandoned, harmed, neglected, or shunned.
8) It is a place where black men are more likely to become doctors and lawyers, not gang members, prison inmates, losers, alcoholics, drug addicts and drug dealers, deadbeat dads, spousal abusers, and ignorant, uneducated, semi-illiterate, criminally-inclined, self-hating members of society.
9) It is a place not rooted in the South, home of Dixie, with a culture that was created by the most barbaric, vile, and supremely ignorant racial mindset in recorded human history.
10) It is a place that holds EVERY black person to a high standard, rather than making excuses for underachievement, criminal behavior, and irresponsibility. The treatment of black people in history screams for such intolerance, and survival in today's society requires it.

Atlanta and DC fail miserably in this regard. Neither comes close. IMHO, a "black mecca" does not exist in America.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:33 PM
 
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A "black mecca" is

1) A city where a black person can simply be a person, without reference to race. They are viewed as people who happen to be black, not black people.
2) It is a place where a black person, as simply a person, has no restrictions, is given the utmost of consideration, and is free to pursue their noble goals without racial restrictions.
3) It is a place where those blacks who embrace high educational achievement, those who strive for all that is high and noble, those who are not stereotypical, not criminally-inclined, not interested in rap and hip-hop culture, those who are on the front lines as lawyers, doctors, engineers, scientists, mathematicians, scholars, and so forth, can thrive as people without limits.
4) It is a place where commonality is not defined by race.
5) It is a place where black people don't hate each other, as well as themselves, by committing crimes against each other, and for instance demonstrating the ignorant trait of favoring lighter skin, "good hair", non-brown eyes, thin nose and lips over darker skin, "nappy hair", brown eyes, thick nose and lips.
6) It is a place where ignorance among black people does not work to undermine the black family, or encourage betrayal and/or abandonment of parental and marital responsibilities.
7) It is a place where black women are viewed for what they are, and respected as such. Black women are magnificent women of great beauty, depth, intelligence, character, and passion. They should never be mistreated, betrayed, abandoned, harmed, neglected, or shunned.
8) It is a place where black men are more likely to become doctors and lawyers, not gang members, prison inmates, losers, alcoholics, drug addicts and drug dealers, deadbeat dads, spousal abusers, and ignorant, uneducated, semi-illiterate, criminally-inclined, self-hating members of society.
9) It is a place not rooted in the South, home of Dixie, with a culture that was created by the most barbaric, vile, and supremely ignorant racial mindset in recorded human history.
10) It is a place that holds EVERY black person to a high standard, rather than making excuses for underachievement, criminal behavior, and irresponsibility. The treatment of black people in history screams for such intolerance, and survival in today's society requires it.

Atlanta and DC fail miserably in this regard. Neither comes close. IMHO, a "black mecca" does not exist in America.
By these standards, a mecca doesn't exist for any group anywhere in the world.
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