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Old 09-23-2015, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Not surprisingly Houston slowed down considerably. Dallas on the other hand exploded. DC actually is starting to pick up a little bit more after a slow 2013.
Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA surpassed Houston MSA by Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and probably will overtake Houston MSA next year in the Nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA also just surpassed Washington D.C. MSA as well.

Nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), 2014:
01. Greater New York: $1.558518 Trillion
02. Greater Los Angeles: $866.745 Billion
03. Greater Chicago: $610.552 Billion
04. Greater Houston: $525.397 Billion
05. Greater Dallas/Fort Worth: $504.358 Billion
06. Greater Washington D.C.: $471.584 Billion

07. Greater San Francisco/Oakland: $411.969 Billion
08. Greater Philadelphia: $391.118 Billion
09. Greater Boston: $382.459 Billion
10. Greater Atlanta: $324.881Billion
11. Greater Seattle: $300.827 Billion
12. Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $299.161 Billion
13. Greater Detroit: $236.500 Billion
14. Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul: $235.733 Billion
15. Greater Phoenix: $215.214 Billion
16. Greater San Jose: $213.819 Billion
17. Greater San Diego: $206.817 Billion
18. Greater Denver: $187.111 Billion
19. Greater Baltimore: $173.516 Billion
20. Greater Portland: $159.328 Billion

Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), 2014:
01. Greater New York: $1.423173 Trillion
02. Greater Los Angeles: $797.697 Billion
03. Greater Chicago: $557.745 Billion
04. Greater Dallas/Fort Worth: $460.154 Billion
05. Greater Houston: $454.944 Billion
06. Greater Washington D.C.: $435.583 Billion

07. Greater San Francisco/Oakland: $370.478 Billion
08. Greater Philadelphia: $358.469 Billion
09. Greater Boston: $353.710 Billion
10. Greater Atlanta: $298.146 Billion
11. Greater Seattle: $278.570 Billion
12. Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $273.386 Billion
13. Greater Detroit: $219.862 Billion
14. Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul: $216.891 Billion
15. Greater San Jose: $205.994 Billion
16. Greater Phoenix: $197.980 Billion
17. Greater San Diego: $191.042 Billion
18. Greater Denver: $170.497 Billion
19. Greater Baltimore: $159.606 Billion
20. Greater Portland: $152.614 Billion

The silver-lining is that nowhere else in the "South" will pass Houston MSA and Washington D.C. MSA since the rest are all so far back that it would take 10-15 years and that's only if Houston and Washington stay at the same number as they are now for the next 15 years. These cities are extremely rich compared to Atlanta. The reason for this is because they have a $200 Billion and $150 Billion advantage, respectively, over Atlanta and Atlanta's population will have to grow by 4-5 million people to gain the GDP to surpass Houston MSA or Washington D.C. MSA (the entire state of GA with over 10 million cant even surpass Houston MSA and is about the same as Washington D.C. MSA).

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Old 09-23-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: MPLS/CHI
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So Detroit passed MSP in MSA again.
I noticed that as well. Way to go Detroit.
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Old 09-23-2015, 12:32 PM
 
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Not surprisingly Houston slowed down considerably. Dallas on the other hand exploded. DC actually is starting to pick up a little bit more after a slow 2013.
I think it's surprising if Houston did slow down in 2014. Oil prices didn't sink until the very end of the year. For all intents and purposes, with exception to December, oil prices falling to near or even below break-even prices is a 2015 economic issue for Houston, Denver, and a select few other cities.

Denver's GDP actually increased in size at a faster rate for 2014 than recent years past. And oil/gas/energy companies make up ~20+% of the rentable class A square feet of downtown (4-5 million sf) and have already given back something like 15-20% of their space (600-800K sf). So it's effected that city quite a bit, too.
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Old 09-23-2015, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Center City, Philadelphia
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I asked this when the population numbers where released.. but why is New Mexico seeing such declines?

Also the last 3 years have not been kind to DC in terms of percentage of GDP growth.

Thought for sure AC would rank last but somehow 16 other MSA's performed even worse.

Also Illinois is still seeing loses across the state, filing for bankruptcy is the best choice in my opinion to get their finances together. I saw an article recently saying this was an oppurtunity to privatize education in Illinois. PA is already dabbling with a hybrid public/private system in Philadelphia and it isn't exactly working. As you can imagine, corporations are taking advantage and making tons of money at the top while children suffer at the bottom.
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Old 09-23-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Not surprisingly Houston slowed down considerably. Dallas on the other hand exploded. DC actually is starting to pick up a little bit more after a slow 2013.
...and The Puget Sound is coming for Metropolitan Atlanta. Nothing more entertaining than seeing two cities sparring for bragging rights. Deal and nem betta wake up. Seattle packing its bags and coming WIT IT!

Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle ain't taking no prisoners.
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Old 09-23-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Originally Posted by Red John View Post
Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA surpassed Houston MSA by Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and probably will overtake Houston MSA next year in the Nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA also just surpassed Washington D.C. MSA as well.

Nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), 2014:
01. Greater New York: $1.558518 Trillion
02. Greater Los Angeles: $866.745 Billion
03. Greater Chicago: $610.552 Billion
04. Greater Houston: $525.397 Billion
05. Greater Dallas/Fort Worth: $504.358 Billion
06. Greater Washington D.C.: $471.584 Billion

07. Greater San Francisco/Oakland: $411.969 Billion
08. Greater Philadelphia: $391.118 Billion
09. Greater Boston: $382.459 Billion
10. Greater Atlanta: $324.881Billion
11. Greater Seattle: $300.827 Billion
12. Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $299.161 Billion
13. Greater Detroit: $236.500 Billion
14. Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul: $235.733 Billion
15. Greater Phoenix: $215.214 Billion
16. Greater San Jose: $213.819 Billion
17. Greater San Diego: $206.817 Billion
18. Greater Denver: $187.111 Billion
19. Greater Baltimore: $173.516 Billion
20. Greater Portland: $159.328 Billion

Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), 2014:
01. Greater New York: $1.423173 Trillion
02. Greater Los Angeles: $797.697 Billion
03. Greater Chicago: $557.745 Billion
04. Greater Dallas/Fort Worth: $460.154 Billion
05. Greater Houston: $454.944 Billion
06. Greater Washington D.C.: $435.583 Billion

07. Greater San Francisco/Oakland: $370.478 Billion
08. Greater Philadelphia: $358.469 Billion
09. Greater Boston: $353.710 Billion
10. Greater Atlanta: $298.146 Billion
11. Greater Seattle: $278.570 Billion
12. Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $273.386 Billion
13. Greater Detroit: $219.862 Billion
14. Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul: $216.891 Billion
15. Greater San Jose: $205.994 Billion
16. Greater Phoenix: $197.980 Billion
17. Greater San Diego: $191.042 Billion
18. Greater Denver: $170.497 Billion
19. Greater Baltimore: $159.606 Billion
20. Greater Portland: $152.614 Billion

The silver-lining is that nowhere else in the "South" will pass Houston MSA and Washington D.C. MSA since the rest are all so far back that it would take 10-15 years and that's only if Houston and Washington stay at the same number as they are now for the next 15 years. These cities are extremely rich compared to Atlanta. The reason for this is because they have a $200 Billion and $150 Billion advantage, respectively, over Atlanta and Atlanta's population will have to grow by 4-5 million people to gain the GDP to surpass Houston MSA or Washington D.C. MSA (the entire state of GA with over 10 million cant even surpass Houston MSA and is about the same as Washington D.C. MSA).
I'm not buying what you're selling. The same way Seattle has caught up to Atlanta, Atlanta could catch up to Houston or Washington. You don't know what deals Atlanta could gain, or what Houston/D.C. could lose.

And anyway, since when did D.C. become part of the South? I'll wait for justification on that question.

I'm starting to think that you're a low-key Atlanta hater. But carry on.

Oh, and when your economy is propped up on Oil and military/government jobs, I'm sure you'd stay well ahead of most areas that actually have a a solidly diverse economy.
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Old 09-23-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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I'm not buying what you're selling. The same way Seattle has caught up to Atlanta, Atlanta could catch up to Houston or Washington. You don't know what deals Atlanta could gain, or what Houston/D.C. could lose.
The gap between Houston and Atlanta is $200 Billion. The gap itself is 2/3rd (66%) the size of Atlanta's actual economy. The gap between Atlanta and Washington is $150 Billion, that's nearly 1/2 (50%) of Atlanta's actual economy.

Just the last 1 year Atlanta's GDP grew by $15 Billion. Atlanta's GDP growth from 2009 to 2014 was $51.4 Billion. Atlanta since 2000 has grown its GDP by $115 Billion and that's 14 years of time. Its GDP has only grown by $155 Billion since 1995.

The gap between Atlanta and Seattle has NEVER been $200 Billion or $150 Billion and was always much closer than that. So your analogy is ridiculous. For example, right now the gap between Atlanta and Seattle is $24 Billion, 5 years ago the gap between Atlanta and Seattle was $30 Billion, 10 years ago it was $42 Billion, 14 years ago it was $53 Billion. It's never been a substantially high amount and this is why we've been able to see Seattle slowly cutting away at Atlanta's lead. It'll be doing that for another 5-7 years more before it gets within striking distance of Atlanta's economy.

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Old 09-23-2015, 03:37 PM
 
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Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA surpassed Houston MSA by Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and probably will overtake Houston MSA next year in the Nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA also just surpassed Washington D.C. MSA as well.

Nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), 2014:
01. Greater New York: $1.558518 Trillion
02. Greater Los Angeles: $866.745 Billion
03. Greater Chicago: $610.552 Billion
04. Greater Houston: $525.397 Billion
05. Greater Dallas/Fort Worth: $504.358 Billion
06. Greater Washington D.C.: $471.584 Billion
07. Greater San Francisco/Oakland: $411.969 Billion
08. Greater Philadelphia: $391.118 Billion
09. Greater Boston: $382.459 Billion
10. Greater Atlanta: $324.881Billion
11. Greater Seattle: $300.827 Billion
12. Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $299.161 Billion
13. Greater Detroit: $236.500 Billion
14. Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul: $235.733 Billion
15. Greater Phoenix: $215.214 Billion
16. Greater San Jose: $213.819 Billion
17. Greater San Diego: $206.817 Billion
18. Greater Denver: $187.111 Billion
19. Greater Baltimore: $173.516 Billion
20. Greater Portland: $159.328 Billion

Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), 2014:
01. Greater New York: $1.423173 Trillion
02. Greater Los Angeles: $797.697 Billion
03. Greater Chicago: $557.745 Billion
04. Greater Dallas/Fort Worth: $460.154 Billion
05. Greater Houston: $454.944 Billion
06. Greater Washington D.C.: $435.583 Billion
07. Greater San Francisco/Oakland: $370.478 Billion
08. Greater Philadelphia: $358.469 Billion
09. Greater Boston: $353.710 Billion
10. Greater Atlanta: $298.146 Billion
11. Greater Seattle: $278.570 Billion
12. Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $273.386 Billion
13. Greater Detroit: $219.862 Billion
14. Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul: $216.891 Billion
15. Greater San Jose: $205.994 Billion
16. Greater Phoenix: $197.980 Billion
17. Greater San Diego: $191.042 Billion
18. Greater Denver: $170.497 Billion
19. Greater Baltimore: $159.606 Billion
20. Greater Portland: $152.614 Billion

The silver-lining is that nowhere else in the "South" will pass Houston MSA and Washington D.C. MSA since the rest are all so far back that it would take 10-15 years and that's only if Houston and Washington stay at the same number as they are now for the next 15 years. These cities are extremely rich compared to Atlanta. The reason for this is because they have a $200 Billion and $150 Billion advantage, respectively, over Atlanta and Atlanta's population will have to grow by 4-5 million people to gain the GDP to surpass Houston MSA or Washington D.C. MSA (the entire state of GA with over 10 million cant even surpass Houston MSA and is about the same as Washington D.C. MSA).
In the South, Dallas MSA may take over Houston MSA. I don't see Miami MSA or Atlanta MSA taking over Dallas MSA or Houston MSA either.
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The gap between Houston and Atlanta is $200 Billion. The gap itself is 2/3rd (66%) the size of Atlanta's actual economy. The gap between Atlanta and Washington is $150 Billion, that's nearly 1/2 (50%) of Atlanta's actual economy.

Just the last 1 year Atlanta's GDP grew by $15 Billion. Atlanta's GDP growth from 2009 to 2014 was $51.4 Billion. Atlanta since 2000 has grown its GDP by $115 Billion and that's 14 years of time. Its GDP has only grown by $155 Billion since 1995.

The gap between Atlanta and Seattle has NEVER been $200 Billion or $150 Billion and was always much closer than that. So your analogy is ridiculous. For example, right now the gap between Atlanta and Seattle is $24 Billion, 5 years ago the gap between Atlanta and Seattle was $30 Billion, 10 years ago it was $42 Billion, 14 years ago it was $53 Billion. It's never been a substantially high amount and this is why we've been able to see Seattle slowly cutting away at Atlanta's lead. It'll be doing that for another 5-7 years more before it gets within striking distance of Atlanta's economy.

You don't even know to to apply basic economics to your analogies, so it doesn't matter to me what you actually think.
Yeah, but there was a time not too long ago when Houston's and Atlanta's economies were the same size.

Houston and its oil industry took off and left Atlanta in the dust.

Should that very same industry collapse, or mostly likely, hiccup, then it could give way to a different picture.



As I said before, hater. When your economy is proped up on ONE major industry (The Bay Area as an example, just like Houston & Washington) you have that advantage to grow because you have virtually NO competition in that area. Hell even Dallas, which has a million people on Houston and DC still lags behind them. But its economy is also far more diverse than either. Don't see you ever pointing that out. Nope.

But Atlanta tho.

Just be upfront and open about it (your disdain). You ain't got to lie, Craig.
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Also Illinois is still seeing loses across the state, filing for bankruptcy is the best choice in my opinion to get their finances together. I saw an article recently saying this was an oppurtunity to privatize education in Illinois. PA is already dabbling with a hybrid public/private system in Philadelphia and it isn't exactly working. As you can imagine, corporations are taking advantage and making tons of money at the top while children suffer at the bottom.
States cannot file for bankruptcy.
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