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View Poll Results: What's urbanizing the fastest among these four?
Atlanta 10 16.67%
Los Angeles 28 46.67%
Seattle 14 23.33%
Washington DC 8 13.33%
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Old 09-26-2015, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Seattle aka tier 3 city :)
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OMG, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever been to downtown Silver Spring or Bethesda? How about Pentagon City? I already said the samething about Rosslyn. Who is bragging about Rosslyn now? I said once they build all 10,000 housing units which is well underway, it will be very different. Also, Ballston is nothing like Rosslyn. Have you been there lately?

What is the population density in Century City? What is the employment population? How much retail is located there?
Weren't you the one who said that DC's outer nodes could rival the cores of Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta?
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Old 09-26-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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OMG, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever been to downtown Silver Spring or Bethesda? How about Pentagon City? I already said the samething about Rosslyn. Who is bragging about Rosslyn now? I said once they build all 10,000 housing units which is well underway, it will be very different. Also, Ballston is nothing like Rosslyn. Have you been there lately?

What is the population density in Century City? What is the employment population? How much retail is located there?
According to Wikipedia century city has about 6,000 people in 176 acres (0.28 square miles), so about 21,500 people per square mile. It has a large mall at its border so lots of retail but just in one place.
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Old 09-26-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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Weren't you the one who said that DC's outer nodes could rival the cores of Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta?
And I still think they could. They are developing side by side. The cores of Houston and Dallas and Atlanta are small and filled with parking lots. They have done a lot to improve over the last 5 years but they still are very small before they give way to single family homes.

Downtown-Midtown Atlanta, for instance, is built very similar to the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor. They are both changing a lot though so who knows what they will look like in the future. Both give way to single family homes after a few blocks.

Houston is covered with parking lots around their stadium. The stadium needs to be moved to the suburbs if they want their core to be urban. That is a major issue with all that parking. Dallas is the most urban of three and I would say its well ahead of the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor.

I think the biggest part of all of this has to do with the rules used to define core. Can single family home neighborhoods be included in the core? In my opinion, they can't. Once you get them, the core stops at that neighborhood boundary.

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Old 09-26-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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According to Wikipedia century city has about 6,000 people in 176 acres (0.28 square miles), so about 21,500 people per square mile. It has a large mall at its border so lots of retail but just in one place.
Wait, are we trying to compare a .2 square mile area to the entire Rosslyn-Ballston corridor which has 10s of thousands of people? Rosslyn alone is building 10,000 units which is almost double the entire population of Century City not counting the thousands of people already living there.
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Old 09-26-2015, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Wait, are we trying to compare a .2 square mile area to the entire Rosslyn-Ballston corridor which has 10s of thousands of people? Rosslyn alone is building 10,000 units which is almost double the entire population of Century City not counting the thousands of people already living there.
I brought up century city by saying that Rosslyn reminded me of it. Then I was told how different the two are. You asked your question after that exchange.
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Old 09-26-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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I brought up century city by saying that Rosslyn reminded me of it. Then I was told how different the two are. You asked your question after that exchange.
Oh, ok cool.
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Old 09-26-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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You just proved my point. You can't build one 40 story tower and think you're building an urban downtown. You have to line both sides of every street building them side by side to create an urban street-wall. Just to educate you a little bit:

-street walls are not based on height, they're based on distance between each other and their relationship with the street.

-urban canyons are not important, street-walls are, but you would have to actually be accurate when stating what someone has said in the past to know that.

-buildings, regardless of height, must form an uninterrupted street-wall to be urban which is the same guidelines villages, towns, cities, and metropolises use all around the world.

-if the three 40 story buildings were cut down into 12 different 10 story buildings and placed next to each other, it would go along way toward being more urban. Three buildings do nothing for urban form. The height of these buildings without demand to build dozens of them is the problem.

-the D.C. suburbs build hundreds of these high-rises together creating street-walls which is why it works so well here. If you can't do that because of a lack of demand to built dozens at the same time, you're better off building smaller buildings so you can cluster them together to urbanize the entire area.
You've never been to LA. You would know Hollywood is littered with midrises all over the place. And not that bland/vanilla/quasi suburban stuff that is built around DC metro stations. It doesn't need 40 story proposals. It would be fine if everything was 10-20 stories.

It's a real neighborhood. People are gonna come regardless.

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Old 09-26-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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You just proved my point. You can't build one 40 story tower and think you're building an urban downtown. You have to line both sides of every street building them side by side to create an urban street-wall. Just to educate you a little bit:

-street walls are not based on height, they're based on distance between each other and their relationship with the street.

-urban canyons are not important, street-walls are, but you would have to actually be accurate when stating what someone has said in the past to know that.

-buildings, regardless of height, must form an uninterrupted street-wall to be urban which is the same guidelines villages, towns, cities, and metropolises use all around the world.

-if the three 40 story buildings were cut down into 12 different 10 story buildings and placed next to each other, it would go along way toward being more urban. Three buildings do nothing for urban form. The height of these buildings without demand to build dozens of them is the problem.

-the D.C. suburbs build hundreds of these high-rises together creating street-walls which is why it works so well here. If you can't do that because of a lack of demand to built dozens at the same time, you're better off building smaller buildings so you can cluster them together to urbanize the entire area.
I worked in Ballston. It's not much different than Rosslyn.

The most interesting place in Arlington (really the only one) is Clarendon. Because there's stuff to do. It's the only neighborhood that people are really out and about.

There's nada in Fairfax County. Nothing.
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Old 09-26-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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OMG, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever been to downtown Silver Spring or Bethesda? How about Pentagon City? I already said the samething about Rosslyn. Who is bragging about Rosslyn now? I said once they build all 10,000 housing units which is well underway, it will be very different. Also, Ballston is nothing like Rosslyn. Have you been there lately?

What is the population density in Century City? What is the employment population? How much retail is located there?
Are you seriously bringing up Pentagon City? Lol.

Century City has a top notch mall. It's far better retail than Pentagon City/Ballston (please).
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Old 09-26-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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You seem to equate highrises with interesting places. It's just alot of fluff.

I've lived there. I've been all the areas you named. They get old, real fast.
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