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View Poll Results: Which is Better in terms of New Lofts, Best jobs, Lowest Crime, Public Transit, Shopping, Military B
Flint, Michigan 0 0%
Macon, Georgia 0 0%
Springfield, Massachusetts 0 0%
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Old 10-07-2015, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Boston
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None have good transit but Springfield likely has the best. One could take commuter rail from Springfield to Manhattan within a few years once the New Haven-Springfield commuter line is completed.

And Springfield already has above average bus and Amtrak service.
PVTA really is pretty good and has extensive coverage for a small/mid-size metro. Lots of great areas outside of the city are accessible by bus.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Hartford, Connecticut
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None have good transit but Springfield likely has the best. One could take commuter rail from Springfield to Manhattan within a few years once the New Haven-Springfield commuter line is completed.

And Springfield already has above average bus and Amtrak service.
Springfield is home to Peter Pan Bus Lines which is a very well known company. You beat me to it. Once the Hartford Line is done and expanded towards Springfield then it'll be even better. I only give the edge to Springfield because of its location.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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Springfield > Peoria in terms of location and transportation (you can take the PVTA to Northampton and Amherst). While Springfield is nothing to write home about in terms of geography, drive just 15 miles west, and you'll be in the Berkshires, which is equal in beauty to Vermont (https://goo.gl/maps/3P9y5urHyvn).

Peoria > Springfield in terms of the city proper. It's less economically depressed, and it has a lot going on near the river.

I'm not sure why Flint is under consideration; it has no redeeming qualities. Kalamazoo, which is just a short drive to Grand Rapids, is a better option if the OP wants a mid-sized city in Michigan.

I've never been to Macon.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:58 PM
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Does anyone know how the Transit Rank in these, including Suburban Coverage???
The older towns get some coverage, depending on where you live. A lot of the Springfield area is old towns that were independent that didn't grow particularly much as suburbs they're just towns that happened to be near Springfield. Generally, the older towns especially near the downtown have usable bus service but newer neighborhoods often don't. Getting to many of the newer office parks might be difficult; that's common everywhere. The eastern part of Springfield has somewhat patchy bus service. PVTA ridership numbers are boosted because bus service in and around UMass Amherst is provided by the PVTA; and university students and staff use the bus service a lot.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:02 PM
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A thread like this is hard because they're small enough that they're regional cities; not too many people outside of its region are familiar with the city. I'd guess Peoria might be the best off city by quality of life; Springfield, or at least the greater area may be the most interesting.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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Springfield > Peoria in terms of location and transportation (you can take the PVTA to Northampton and Amherst). While Springfield is nothing to write home about in terms of geography, drive just 15 miles west, and you'll be in the Berkshires, which is equal in beauty to Vermont (https://goo.gl/maps/3P9y5urHyvn).

Peoria > Springfield in terms of the city proper. It's less economically depressed, and it has a lot going on near the river.

I'm not sure why Flint is under consideration; it has no redeeming qualities. Kalamazoo, which is just a short drive to Grand Rapids, is a better option if the OP wants a mid-sized city in Michigan.

I've never been to Macon.
Or Lansing/East Lansing.....Flint's Southwest side is probably the best part of the city.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:25 PM
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I'm not sure why Flint is under consideration; it has no redeeming qualities.
Ouch.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Macon recently consolidated its city government with surrounding Bibb County. This resulted in adding generally newer, higher income neighborhoods into what had been a historically interesting but rather economically depressed city. The city may get more visibility as a result of moving into a higher population bracket. There is definitely potential for growth in the area over the long term - given traffic patterns, it can sometimes be almost as fast to get to the Atlanta airport from Macon as from the northeast Atlanta suburbs.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:45 PM
 
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Or Lansing/East Lansing.....Flint's Southwest side is probably the best part of the city.
And that's not saying much. Even SW Flint basically sucks.

Flint may be the worst metro area in the U.S. I mean, it's incredibly violent, poor, economically challenged, geographically boring and downright ugly. It isn't even historic, since it was a small town prior to the 20th century auto boom. The housing stock is mostly no-style worker bungalows, many of the inner city neighborhoods never even had sidewalks (everything was developed slap-dash, like a 1920's version of what you now see in North Dakota's oil fields), downtown is sparse, small and dead, the tallest building, abandoned for decades, was just demolished.

There's almost no diversity (just local blacks and whites), minimal transit, no real walkable areas, and dining barely exists outside of crappy suburban chains. I'm not sure if there's a decent hotel in the entire metro. Detroit Metro, just to the south, looks like Paris compared to Flint.

Oh, and the water isn't even drinkable. The city is having a huge water crisis, and you need to boil your tap water.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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The older towns get some coverage, depending on where you live. A lot of the Springfield area is old towns that were independent that didn't grow particularly much as suburbs — they're just towns that happened to be near Springfield. Generally, the older towns especially near the downtown have usable bus service but newer neighborhoods often don't. Getting to many of the newer office parks might be difficult; that's common everywhere. The eastern part of Springfield has somewhat patchy bus service. PVTA ridership numbers are boosted because bus service in and around UMass Amherst is provided by the PVTA; and university students and staff use the bus service a lot.
I don't remember: does the PVTA serve Greenfield? That's my favorite town in the Pioneer Valley. It's technically part of the Springfield MSA, but it's practically in Vermont.
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