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Chicago is still at least 120+ miles from St. Louis. DC directly borders Virginia and its metro encompasses a significant amount of Virginia land area.
Chicago is much more than 121 miles....it's nearly 300 miles from St. Louis.
Been to both. Visited some friends in Richmond earlier this year and then traveled to Virginia Beach and Newport News. Grew up within walking distance to the Missouri border outside of Kansas City. As a result, I am much more familiar with Missouri, and it really is an underrated state. Although I was really impressed with how green and beautiful VA is. However, neither one is my ideal state scenery wise (not crazy about heavily forested areas, even if it is the mountains).
City wise, I prefer KC and STL to the cities in Virginia. KC and STL are both great cites for foodies, have rich musical histories, major league teams, and are noticeably larger in the metro (though I wish one of them had a beach). Also I like how different KC and St. Louis are from each other. One is the last city of the East and the other is the first of the West. I enjoy their histories in the development of the American Frontier.
I disagree that KC is the first city of the West. It has more in common with Eastern cities than western cities like Denver.
I disagree that KC is the first city of the West. It has more in common with Eastern cities than western cities like Denver.
Totally disagree with this observation. KC feels like a completely different state than STL. Hard to even compare the two, seriously. It is a VERY different vibe/culture. KC has a distinctly western/plains atmosphere, and St. Louis is much more like older cities of the eastern US.
Totally disagree with this observation. KC feels like a completely different state than STL. Hard to even compare the two, seriously. It is a VERY different vibe/culture. KC has a distinctly western/plains atmosphere, and St. Louis is much more like older cities of the eastern US.
I think a lot of comparisons can be made between the two cities. I believe KC is overall Catholic and has a large Irish population and is known for barbecue, jazz and blues. St. Louis is known for the same things and is a Catholic and heavily Irish city. Both cities proper have overall African American populations...to my knowledge African Americans aren't the majority in Western cities. Both cities get similar weather year round. So there are a lot of cultural similarities between the two cities. As far as their pasts go, I agree that KC is a historically Western city, although it is not Western by modern definitions. St. Louis has been and always will be an Eastern city.
Chicago is still at least 120+ miles from St. Louis. DC directly borders Virginia and its metro encompasses a significant amount of Virginia land area.
I realize how close it is to Virginia. However saying Virginia "has DC" is like saying Kansas "has Kansas City"
I realize how close it is to Virginia. However saying Virginia "has DC" is like saying Kansas "has Kansas City"
No it's not. DC is not in a state, so if a state had to claim it, it would be Virginia/Maryland. Seeing as almost 50 percent of DC's MSA lives in North Virginia(which encompasses over around 1/3 of the states population) I think it's safe to say that Virginia has DC.
Virginia has DC? Lol well I guess Missouri has Chicago.
DC has suburbs in Virginia, and it physically borders the state, but Chicago does not have suburbs in Missouri.
For that reason, if this became a conversation of what Illinois has/has access to, I'd give St. Louis to Illinois, but not Kansas City. Indiana would have the best claim to Chicago, and then Wisconsin in that regard as well.
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Originally Posted by Pyroninja42
Chicago is still at least 120+ miles from St. Louis. DC directly borders Virginia and its metro encompasses a significant amount of Virginia land area.
120 miles on your way from St. Louis to Chicago puts you just north of Springfield, IL on I-55. You're probably around Lincoln, IL. You've got another 30 miles until you've hit the halfway point.
I think a lot of comparisons can be made between the two cities. I believe KC is overall Catholic and has a large Irish population and is known for barbecue, jazz and blues. St. Louis is known for the same things and is a Catholic and heavily Irish city. Both cities proper have overall African American populations...to my knowledge African Americans aren't the majority in Western cities. Both cities get similar weather year round. So there are a lot of cultural similarities between the two cities. As far as their pasts go, I agree that KC is a historically Western city, although it is not Western by modern definitions. St. Louis has been and always will be an Eastern city.
I hear what you're saying, but KC is more protestant/evangelical than Catholic and is only 29% black. By comparison, St. Louis is more than 20% Catholic, KC is barely 10% Catholic. St. Louis is 48% black, KC is 29% black. I agree that relative to other contemporary western cities, KC looks a bit more eastern, but I think compared to the rustbelt/northeast, it still bears a stronger resemblance to the west. I honestly think St. Louis has more in common in every way with places like Pittsburgh and Cleveland than it does with Kansas City. I think people in KC would agree with that too.
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