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Before the schools dumded-down the teaching of geography the east coast was divided into 3 regions the MidAtlantic was taught as NJ, PA, DE, MD, VA with NY & NC being the northern & southern ends where NY was both New England & MidAtlantic & NC was both MidAtlantic & the South at the same time. Northeast was used to designate a rail corridor. The MidAtlantic is a transition zone. The further south you go, the more southern an area is. Just because an area is MidAtlantic doesn't preclude it from being southern.
There are many southern accents. The MidAtlantic accent in Philadelphia, South Jersey, Delaware & Maryland between Newark & Baltimore, including Baltimore City is under the umbrella of southern accents.
No it's not. Linguistics maps prove that all the cities you just outlined are not within the Southern dialect range. The Southern dialect range starts below D.C. and Annapolis.
Again, you are wrong. The Philadelphia accent is obviously and overwhelming Northeastern mixed with the midland north "O" vowel. The Baltimore accent is Midland mixed with the Southern accent. Although the Baltimore accent is not as Northeastern as the Philadelphia accent, to outright consider the Baltimore accent purely southern is inaccurate because of it's midland features.
The Baltimore accent is overwhelmingly more Northeastern than it is Southern.
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Again, you are wrong. The Philadelphia accent is obviously and overwhelming Northeastern mixed with the midland north "O" vowel. The Baltimore accent is Midland mixed with the Southern accent. Although the Baltimore accent is not as Northeastern as the Philadelphia accent, to outright consider the Baltimore accent purely southern is inaccurate because of it's midland features.
Obviously, you are unaware of the study by Labov at U of P that's been going on for over 50 years.
Before the schools dumded-down the teaching of geography the east coast was divided into 3 regions the MidAtlantic was taught as NJ, PA, DE, MD, VA with NY & NC being the northern & southern ends where NY was both New England & MidAtlantic & NC was both MidAtlantic & the South at the same time. Northeast was used to designate a rail corridor. The MidAtlantic is a transition zone. The further south you go, the more southern an area is. Just because an area is MidAtlantic doesn't preclude it from being southern.
There are many southern accents. The MidAtlantic accent in Philadelphia, South Jersey, Delaware & Maryland between Newark & Baltimore, including Baltimore City is under the umbrella of southern accents.
NY is not New England, that is not even close to debatable, NC is the deep south as is VA/WV are the upper south. MD, DE, PA, NJ, NY are the mid-atlantic. The former 2 are more Southern, the latter 3 are more. Northeastern.
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The Baltimore accent is overwhelmingly more Northeastern than it is Southern.
There is no such thing as a Northeastern accent. There is more than one accent in New England & the NY accents are different from New England & the MidAtlantic accent.
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NY is not New England, that is not even close to debatable, NC is the deep south as is VA/WV are the upper south. MD, DE, PA, NJ, NY are the mid-atlantic. The former 2 are more Southern, the latter 3 are more. Northeastern.
NC is not the deep South, check a map. Better yet, try telling that to people who actually live in the deep South.
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NC is not the deep South, check a map. Better yet, try telling that to people who actually live in the deep South.
And better yet, how about you actually talk to people who live in the city you are claiming has a southern accent? I assure you, northern Delaware doesn't have a southern accent--I don't care what your one study claims. Influence does not equate to actuality. I've never once heard anyone claim Joe Biden has a southern accent
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According to your boy Labov, Philly/the Delaware Valley hasn't really had a "Southern" accent since WWII.
In all of these patterns since the 1970s (meaning among people born in the city roughly after World War II), the one common denominator is that the Philadelphia dialect appears to be realigning with its northern neighbors.
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And better yet, how about you actually talk to people who live in the city you are claiming has a southern accent? I assure you, northern Delaware doesn't have a southern accent--I don't care what your one study claims. I've never once heard anyone claim Joe Biden has a southern accent
I never said that. The MidAtlantic access comes under the umbrella of Southern accents. Google Is your friend. Is the MidAtlantic accent the same as the accent in Richmond? No. The accent is different in Annapolis than in Bawl'mer, much less Fluffya. However, younger people in most areas have weaker accents than their elders. They are more difficult to parse, quickly.
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According to your boy Labov, Philly/the Delaware Valley hasn't really had a "Southern" accent since WWII.
In all of these patterns since the 1970s (meaning among people born in the city roughly after World War II), the one common denominator is that the Philadelphia dialect appears to be realigning with its northern neighbors.
Find the actual study & you find the map that proves what I said, but you won't do that.
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