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I wouldn't be surprised if the suburbs aren't rebounding and the city cores start losing population. I'm seeing it here.
Would that really be a new trend in Pittsburgh though? I thought it only recently registered a gain in estimates after nearly 50 years of declines in city proper no?
Chicago by estimations, even in a slower state will pass it by 2020 as long as it doesn't take any more steps back in raw numbers. The Washington DC-Baltimore CSA will almost assuredly do it about a year maybe two before 2020. It is going to start closing the gap rather fast, the region actually has a high level of immigration and natural increase, despite being in the red for domestic migration it is easily offset as it is.
The San Francisco Bay Area, if it persists as it is on course right now will be en-route to 9.1 million by the 2020 census and almost 100% chance Modesto-Merced come aboard in the 2023 census redefinitions. Wendell Cox has actually been monitoring the migration and commuting from Central Valley into the San Francisco Bay Area and the commuting rate is increasing radically. In addition to that, the fastest growing counties (in percentage terms) in all of California are watershed Central Valley exurbs of the San Francisco Bay Area now. That addition will put it at over 10 million by the time 2023 rolls around. Stockton-Modesto? Say hello to the Inland Empire North.
Top 5 cemented.
I guess these CSAs though become a little crazy
like I mean really what do Dulles and Whitemarsh MD have in common etc. They don't feel like one big place to me anymore then do say a NYC and Philly in this regard, which are not and separate
And Stockton, sure commuters but to me the Bay is the inner bay and feels large but not 10 million , more like 5-6 million which the core is
Chicago (or LA or NYC obviously) feel a ton bigger to me as one place and not extended or connected exurbs
I don't always agree with Monty but to me the urban area (as he called out) is probably a better measure > 10 Million UA is mega city in this regard as a better barometer for me
Yeah, I agree with that as well. Urban Area has always been my preferred measure for gauging the actual size of the city.
I also agree with the previous statement. The South American group along with the 3 current North Americans and Chicago.
The thing with the megacity definition though is that it is just a technical designation. Technically those areas will become megacities but I agree, in the strict sense of feeling like a "megacity" in the vein of places like the ones like New York or Mexico City or Los Angeles, they wont have that feel (save for Chicago).
Here's a snapshot of the urban area core of these places:
- Chicago Urban Area: 9,156,000
- Washington DC Urban Area + Baltimore Urban Area: 7,152,000
- Toronto Urban Area: 6,456,000
- San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland Urban Area: 5,929,000
I combined Washington DC and Baltimore for comparisons sake but it left out all of the other filler areas that are in their CSA (Hagerstown, so on).
Chicago:
Washington DC-Baltimore:
San Francisco Bay Area:
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Given that Florida accelerated by nearly 74,000 in 2015 compared to what it did in comparable timeframe in 2014, I wonder which PCSA in Florida absorbed the bulk of that speed up.
That's an insane speed up, by the way, for a one year period. I get a feeling that it was Greater Orlando.
Would that really be a new trend in Pittsburgh though? I thought it only recently registered a gain in estimates after nearly 50 years of declines in city proper no?
Those old stats have been repeatedly quoted on here but the last 2014 figures showed the city losing population. I am seeing the reverse migration with my coworkers and friends. Most have moved out of the county. Plus the current rise in crime isn't going to lure people to the city.
I also agree with the previous statement. The South American group along with the 3 current North Americans and Chicago.
The thing with the megacity definition though is that it is just a technical designation. Technically those areas will become megacities but I agree, in the strict sense of feeling like a "megacity" in the vein of places like the ones like New York or Mexico City or Los Angeles, they wont have that feel (save for Chicago).
Here's a snapshot of the urban area core of these places:
- Chicago Urban Area: 9,156,000
- Washington DC Urban Area + Baltimore Urban Area: 7,152,000
- Toronto Urban Area: 6,456,000
- San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland Urban Area: 5,929,000
I combined Washington DC and Baltimore for comparisons sake but it left out all of the other filler areas that are in their CSA (Hagerstown, so on).
Chicago:
Washington DC-Baltimore:
San Francisco Bay Area:
If these visuals are same scale, I can see how the Bay area would give Chicagoland a run for its money.
By definition, it seems Chicago, Washington DC-Baltimore, San Francisco Bay Area, and Toronto's Greater Golden Horseshoe are all poised to be on-board literally sooner rather than later.
Megacity: 10 million - 19,999,999
Hypercity: 20 million - 39,999,999
Supercity: 40 million +
Los Angeles is en-route to joining New York and Mexico City as a hypercity in North America soon enough.
Thank you for looking it up, I wasnt sure.
For MSA it makes sense, but really it should work for CSA too because of the regionalism and commuter numbers the OMB mentions in their justification of recognizing CSAs.
Seattle will explode in these estimates. The city population will may be over 700K. The metro will also show double digit growth.
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