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View Poll Results: Which city has the 3rd best Downtown?
Philadelphia 65 38.69%
San Francisco 77 45.83%
None 26 15.48%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-15-2016, 05:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by RightonWalnut View Post
Not arguing that San Francisco is more desirable at all. I'm simply saying that higher price does not equal better architecture.

555 California is just not better architecture than Three Logan Square... no matter how much you want to pretend it is, and no matter how much some Real Estate company overpaid for it. The demand and desirability for the office space inside of the building, has nothing to do with the architecture of the building.

This...
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...371/546789.jpg

Is just simply not better architecture than this...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6146/6...f08a95a7_b.jpg
Looked at your links...definitely true.

 
Old 04-15-2016, 05:38 PM
 
Location: The City
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I am getting out to enjoy a glorious spring evening. I may weep if I imagine I were SF but will make the best of it
 
Old 04-15-2016, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Lol And I still hear no rebuttal from them about my earlier post. It seems a lot of what makes San Francisco so expensive is ridiculously artificial in nature, and not all of it tied into its desirability...
San Francisco is so expensive because it sits between a Bay and an ocean. Yes, it is desirable, but prices are inflated even more because land is scarce, the city is practically built out, and there is no where else to expand. This increases prices.

Center City Philadelphia is indeed getting expensive. Even University City is getting there now. The rest of the city or Metro? Not so much. The reason it is not so expensive though, is that it is an inland city. It does not sit in between bodies of water and mountains with little room to grow... the metro can expand outward with a ton of land to build. Is Philadelphia also a little less desirable? Yes, but there is enough demand and growth in Center City now-a-days.

Plus, when has expensive ever been a positive thing? These Bay Area folks talk about the cost of real estate like it's a plus that things are so expensive hahaha.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Originally Posted by RightonWalnut View Post
Not arguing that San Francisco is more desirable at all. I'm simply saying that higher price does not equal better architecture.

555 California is just not better architecture than Three Logan Square... no matter how much you want to pretend it is, and no matter how much some Real Estate company overpaid for it. The demand and desirability for the office space inside of the building, has nothing to do with the architecture of the building.

This...
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...371/546789.jpg

Is just simply not better architecture than this...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6146/6...f08a95a7_b.jpg
Hahaha says you. I think that Philly building is cute but nearly as unique as 555 California.

And it's amazing how many buildings in SF could sell for $500 Million and how few, if any, there are in Philly.

And that's one of the reasons why this comparison is lopsided and not in Philly's favor.

Dont get me wrong, its great but not SF great.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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Hahaha says you. I think that Philly building is cute but nearly as unique as 555 California.

And it's amazing how many buildings in SF could sell for $500 Million and how few, if any, there are in Philly.

And that's one of the reasons why this comparison is lopsided and not in Philly's favor.

Dont get me wrong, its great but not SF great.
Maybe a poll on which building is more "cute" or "unique." I know which one gets my vote.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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I don't believe that either Philadelphia or San Francisco is the 3rd best overall downtown in the country. Neither city is big enough to qualify for that role. I would argue a city like Los Angeles or Houston deserves to qualify for 3rd best downtown.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Houston deserves to qualify for 3rd best downtown.
Why? Houston has a lot of really tall office buildings but I don't know if that is indicative of a great downtown, nor is city population size.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 07:07 PM
 
Location: So California
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Originally Posted by OyCrumbler View Post
Right, and there are metrics that would put downtown DC ahead or even downtown LA ahead. I think you can try and make a Chicago vs SF for second best downtown, but you'd really have to tailor it towards weighting very specific things (take down skyline, parks, mass transit and cultural institutions, put a vast priority on upscale shopping where SF can tie and then throw in cost per square feet as the clincher).

Again, the argument that downtown Philadelphia and downtown SF are close works so well, because Philadelphia really concentrated a lot of its goods in downtown.
Thats where I totally disagree. I dont think Philly is close. I think SF is closer to Chicago than Philly is to SF.
 
Old 04-15-2016, 07:15 PM
 
Location: So California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RightonWalnut View Post
Not arguing that San Francisco is more desirable at all. I'm simply saying that higher price does not equal better architecture.

555 California is just not better architecture than Three Logan Square... no matter how much you want to pretend it is, and no matter how much some Real Estate company overpaid for it. The demand and desirability for the office space inside of the building, has nothing to do with the architecture of the building.

This...
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...371/546789.jpg

Is just simply not better architecture than this...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6146/6...f08a95a7_b.jpg


This is:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3071/2...362_z.jpg?zz=1

is better than this:

https://www.bisnow.com/archives/phil...nsqmed_000.jpg
 
Old 04-15-2016, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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What are you going to try to say that the transamerica is better than one liberty place?

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