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Old 04-06-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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Notable above
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San Francisco
Portland
Seattle
Austin
Denver
New Orleans
Las Vegas
Philadelphia
Boston

Notable below
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Phoenix
Oklahoma City
Jacksonville
Sacramento
Fresno

Everything else, in my opinion, punches more or less at its weight. To me, I don't necessarily consider GDP to be the primary factor. It's all about urbanity, vibrancy, amenities, and quality of life. There are cities like Oklahoma City that perform very well for their tier economically, but in terms of vibrancy and amenities, offer far below what a typical city its size should.
How do any of those factors contribute to "punching below their weight" economically? OKC, Jacksonville, and Phoenix (don't know about the others) all have had booming economies over the last few years. Even with the current depression in commodity pricing, OKC's unemployment rate is well below the national average and the rapid pace of development throughout the city hasn't slowed at all.
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Old 04-06-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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Notable above
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San Francisco
Portland
Seattle
Austin
Denver
New Orleans
Las Vegas
Philadelphia
Boston

Everything else, in my opinion, punches more or less at its weight. To me, I don't necessarily consider GDP to be the primary factor. It's all about urbanity, vibrancy, amenities, and quality of life. There are cities like Oklahoma City that perform very well for their tier economically, but in terms of vibrancy and amenities, offer far below what a typical city its size should.
Minneapolis belongs in that group, especially if cities like Portland, Austin, Denver, New Orleans, and Las Vegas are listed.
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Old 04-06-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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A logical approach.

Will you post the top 20 metros(maybe 30) with their population ranks along side of their GDP ranks?

I know we all have this info readily available to us, but you seem to have the knack.
Since the Gross Domestic Product numbers are from 2014, I'll also use the 2014 population numbers. So that way they depict the same time frame.

Population by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in 2014:
01. New York: 20,095,119
02. Los Angeles: 13,254,397
03. Chicago: 9,557,294
04. Dallas/Fort Worth: 6,958,092
05. Houston: 6,497,864
06. Philadelphia: 6,053,720
07. Washington DC: 6,033,891
08. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 5,937,100
09. Atlanta: 5,615,364
10. Boston: 4,739,385
11. San Francisco/Oakland: 4,595,980
12. Phoenix: 4,486,543
13. Riverside/San Bernardino: 4,438,715
14. Detroit: 4,301,480
15. Seattle: 3,672,866
16. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 3,495,656
17. San Diego: 3,265,700
18. Tampa: 2,917,813
19. Saint Louis: 2,806,191
20. Baltimore: 2,786,853
21. Denver: 2,755,856
22. Charlotte: 2,379,177
23. Pittsburgh: 2,358,096
24. Portland: 2,348,607
25. San Antonio: 2,332,790
26. Orlando: 2,326,729
27. Sacramento: 2,244,879
28. Cincinnati: 2,148,450
29. Kansas City: 2,071,283
30. Las Vegas: 2,069,146
31. Cleveland: 2,064,079
32. Columbus: 1,997,308
33. Indianapolis: 1,971,861
34. San Jose: 1,954,348
35. Austin: 1,943,465
36. Nashville: 1,793,910
37. Virginia Beach/Norfolk: 1,717,853
38. Providence: 1,609,533
39. Milwaukee: 1,574,115
40. Jacksonville: 1,421,004


Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in 2014:
01. New York: $1.559 Trillion
02. Los Angeles: $866.745 Billion
03. Chicago: $610.552 Billion
04. Houston: $525.397 Billion
05. Dallas/Fort Worth: $504.358 Billion
06. Washington DC: $471.504 Billion
07. San Francisco/Oakland: $411.969 Billion
08. Philadelphia: $391.118 Billion
09. Boston: $382.459 Billion
10. Atlanta: $324.881 Billion
11. Seattle: $300.827 Billion
12. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $299.161 Billion
13. Detroit: $236.500 Billion
14. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 235.733 Billion
15. Phoenix: $215.214 Billion
16. San Jose: $213.819 Billion
17. San Diego: $206.817 Billion
18. Denver: $187.111 Billion
19. Baltimore: $173.516 Billion
20. Portland: $159.328 Billion
21. Saint Louis: $149.951 Billion
22. Charlotte: $143.628 Billion
23. Pittsburgh: $135.662 Billion
24. Riverside/San Bernardino: $133.983 Billion
25. Tampa: $128.201 Billion
26. Indianapolis: $125.864 Billion
27. Cleveland: $124.609 Billion
28. Kansas City: $121.638 Billion
29. Cincinnati: $121.407 Billion
30. Columbus: $117.824 Billion
31. Orlando: $115.927 Billion
32. Austin: $115.262 Billion
33. Sacramento: $112.703 Billion
34. Nashville: $106.695 Billion
35. San Antonio: $104.787 Billion
36. Milwaukee: $97.307 Billion
37. Las Vegas: $94.521 Billion
38. Virginia Beach/Norfolk: $90.772 Billion
39. Providence: $75.940 Billion
40. Jacksonville: $65.085 Billion
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Old 04-06-2016, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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How do any of those factors contribute to "punching below their weight" economically? OKC, Jacksonville, and Phoenix (don't know about the others) all have had booming economies over the last few years. Even with the current depression in commodity pricing, OKC's unemployment rate is well below the national average and the rapid pace of development throughout the city hasn't slowed at all.
I think he means for all of the economic growth and even population growth that occurred in these cities, the GDP is not showing it. When you look at Phoenix in particular, it places 15th, whereas it is the 6th largest city in the country. Oklahoma City is the 27th largest city in the country and has a metro larger than New Orleans and Hartford, but the GDP is not showing it as well.



Oklahoma economy is nation's worst in second quarter | News OK

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ng-better.html
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Old 04-06-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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I think he means for all of the economic growth and even population growth that occurred in these cities, the GDP is not showing it. When you look at Phoenix in particular, it places 15th, whereas it is the 6th largest city in the country. Oklahoma City is the 27th largest city in the country and has a metro larger than New Orleans and Hartford, but the GDP is not showing it as well.



Oklahoma economy is nation's worst in second quarter | News OK

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ng-better.html
GDP is measured on the MSA level, not the municipal level. City population doesn't determine if a metro is underperforming economically or not.
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Old 04-06-2016, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Norfolk (ODU)
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I think Hampton Roads,VA punches at its weight. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 04-06-2016, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I think Hampton Roads,VA punches at its weight. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah, we established that in another thread.

A lot of potential here, though.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:52 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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GDP is measured on the MSA level, not the municipal level. City population doesn't determine if a metro is underperforming economically or not.
I know that. That's why I specifically stated the metro areas. Given the growth rates, my argument still holds true for Phoenix and Oklahoma City. Their GDP growth is not reflective of their metro sizes.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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GDP is measured on the MSA level, not the municipal level. City population doesn't determine if a metro is underperforming economically or not.
Please read. As I have already stated, their GDPs are underperforming given their metro sizes. I used to the city populations of both as a frame of reference, not to define GDP growth.
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:32 AM
 
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I think he means for all of the economic growth and even population growth that occurred in these cities, the GDP is not showing it. When you look at Phoenix in particular, it places 15th, whereas it is the 6th largest city in the country. Oklahoma City is the 27th largest city in the country and has a metro larger than New Orleans and Hartford, but the GDP is not showing it as well.



Oklahoma economy is nation's worst in second quarter | News OK

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ng-better.html

Error in fact: New Orleans has the larger metropolitan population.
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