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The stats speak for themselves. You're just unhappy with the fact that its relative economic position drops by 10 places when compared with the rest of the major metros in the US.
Im surprised San Antonio's total metro personal income ranks where it does.
Per Capita Total Personal Income (TPI) by Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in 2014:
01. San Jose: $73,887
02. San Francisco/Oakland: $72,364
03. Boston: $64,311
04. Washington DC: $62,975
05. New York: $61,440
06. Seattle: $58,205
07. Hartford: $56,078
08. Philadelphia: $54,936
09. Houston: $54,820
10. Denver: $53,983
11. Baltimore: $53,690
12. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: $53,166
13. San Diego: $51,459
14. Los Angeles: $50,751
15. Chicago: $50,690
16. Tulsa: $49,807
17. Honolulu: $49,722
18. Dallas/Fort Worth: $49,506
19. Pittsburgh: $49,349
20. Milwaukee: $48,638
21. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: $48,224
22. Nashville: $47,392
23. Saint Louis: $47,391
24. Providence: $47,143
25. Richmond: $47,083
26. Austin: $47,026
27. Cleveland: $46,960
28. Sacramento: $46,852
29. Oklahoma City: $46,675
30. Raleigh: $46,636
31. Kansas City: $46,319
32. New Orleans: $46,282
33. Cincinnati: $45,878
34. Portland: $45,794
35. Virginia Beach/Norfolk: $45,276
36. Columbus: $44,902
37. Detroit: $44,500
38. Birmingham: $44,256
39. Indianapolis: $44,017
40. Rochester: $43,838
41. Buffalo: $43,676
42. Atlanta: $43,472
43. Jacksonville: $43,413
44. Grand Rapids: $43,123
45. Louisville: $42,996
46. Charlotte: $42,425
47. Salt Lake City: $41,940
48. Memphis: $41,935
49. San Antonio: $41,372
50. Tampa: $41,296
51. Phoenix: $39,846
52. Las Vegas: $39,533
53. Orlando: $37,104
54. Tucson: $37,031
55. Riverside/San Bernardino: $33,258
Im not sure these are the best indicators either.Several of these cities rank kinda high also have nigher poverty rates.
How does Cleveland have a 134billion GDP and Nashville have a $94b GDP but be so much higher in TPI?
Surely no one would say Nashville is more wealthy than Cleveland?Or Tusla more than Portland?
Bad measurement IMO.
They dont take into account things like industry like oil or IT based centers where some individuals are EXTREMELY wealthy but the average person is.....average.
Or what about size of population or things like city county consolidation?These things do not allow for equal comparisons.
San Antonia is the largest city land wise in the country but only 25% is heavily populated.
Birmingham richer than At;anta?
Charlotte is Meclkenburg County and a few small towns that together would not even total 100,00..Atlanta is not by itself in Fulton County.There are several cities over 50,000 and a couple around 100,000.It doesn't even physically occupy most of Fulton County as Charlotte does.
Memphis and Baltimore are richer than Honolulu?
No sorry but this just does not seem to be a good measure at all to determine whether a city is punching above or below its weight.Especially of that state has industries or companies that provide jobs outside of the state they are headquartered in.
The top 9 and few others in the top 20, I can see it ,but after that it stars getting more complicated.
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Im not sure these are the best indicators either.Several of these cities rank kinda high also have nigher poverty rates.
How does Cleveland have a 134billion GDP and Nashville have a $94b GDP but be so much higher in TPI?
Surely no one would say Nashville is more wealthy than Cleveland?Or Tusla more than Portland?
Bad measurement IMO.
They dont take into account things like industry like oil or IT based centers where some individuals are EXTREMELY wealthy but the average person is.....average.
Or what about size of population or things like city county consolidation?These things do not allow for equal comparisons. San Antonia is the largest city land wise in the country but only 25% is heavily populated.
Birmingham richer than At;anta?
Charlotte is Meclkenburg County and a few small towns that together would not even total 100,00..Atlanta is not by itself in Fulton County.There are several cities over 50,000 and a couple around 100,000.It doesn't even physically occupy most of Fulton County as Charlotte does.
Memphis and Baltimore are richer than Honolulu?
No sorry but this just does not seem to be a good measure at all to determine whether a city is punching above or below its weight.Especially of that state has industries or companies that provide jobs outside of the state they are headquartered in.
The top 9 and few others in the top 20, I can see it ,but after that it stars getting more complicated.
Lol, what? Never mind the rest of your inaccurate post, this definitively lets me know you don't know what you're talking about. Haha, I won't even respond to your Delaware nonsense now...
Im not sure these are the best indicators either.Several of these cities rank kinda high also have nigher poverty rates.
How does Cleveland have a 134billion GDP and Nashville have a $94b GDP but be so much higher in TPI?
Surely no one would say Nashville is more wealthy than Cleveland?Or Tusla more than Portland?
Bad measurement IMO.
They dont take into account things like industry like oil or IT based centers where some individuals are EXTREMELY wealthy but the average person is.....average.
Or what about size of population or things like city county consolidation?These things do not allow for equal comparisons.
San Antonia is the largest city land wise in the country but only 25% is heavily populated.
Birmingham richer than At;anta?
Charlotte is Meclkenburg County and a few small towns that together would not even total 100,00..Atlanta is not by itself in Fulton County.There are several cities over 50,000 and a couple around 100,000.It doesn't even physically occupy most of Fulton County as Charlotte does.
Memphis and Baltimore are richer than Honolulu?
No sorry but this just does not seem to be a good measure at all to determine whether a city is punching above or below its weight.Especially of that state has industries or companies that provide jobs outside of the state they are headquartered in.
The top 9 and few others in the top 20, I can see it ,but after that ionlut stars getting more complicated.
I only referenced data that was already posted. This was in response to someone saying that they were surprised by San Antonio's TPI, in regards to the area supposedly performing above its weight. Nothing more
There isn't going to be a definitive measure of whether a city or metropolitan area punches above, below, or at "its weight" economically. I think a lot of people lean towards GDP and GDP per Capita because the two are some of the most easily available and are the numbers often used to compare countries. Of course, there is some controversy over that, but I personally believe that it is one of the best, since economy is so broad. TPI, available for US MSAs (I believe), is also helpful. What do you feel is the best measure, if you would have to rely on one? I would guess something along the lines of median household income adjusted to cost of living (not sure how common and reliable that data is), but you seem to jump from one point to another so I am not so sure.
Side note, I think you are letting perception too strongly direct you when you make some of your rhetorical questions. You could have made your point without throwing some cities under the bus, regardless of whether what you implied about them is true or not (of which, I am not entirely sold).
Lol, what? Never mind the rest of your inaccurate post, this definitively lets me know you don't know what you're talking about. Haha, I won't even respond to your Delaware nonsense now...
Other than the typo and the fact that I meant to go back and write a long with Jacksonville, what so inaccurate?
I did not mean exactly 25%,but most people realize S. A. a very densely populated city.
I only referenced data that was already posted. This was in response to someone saying that they were surprised by San Antonio's TPI, in regards to the area supposedly performing above its weight. Nothing more
That was not directed at you but more of response to how people can misinterpret this data.
There isn't going to be a definitive measure of whether a city or metropolitan area punches above, below, or at "its weight" economically. I think a lot of people lean towards GDP and GDP per Capita because the two are some of the most easily available and are the numbers often used to compare countries. Of course, there is some controversy over that, but I personally believe that it is one of the best, since economy is so broad. TPI, available for US MSAs (I believe), is also helpful. What do you feel is the best measure, if you would have to rely on one? I would guess something along the lines of median household income adjusted to cost of living (not sure how common and reliable that data is), but you seem to jump from one point to another so I am not so sure.
Side note, I think you are letting perception too strongly direct you when you make some of your rhetorical questions. You could have made your point without throwing some cities under the bus, regardless of whether what you implied about them is true or not (of which, I am not entirely sold).
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