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Do you realize that Cincinnati's fastest growing suburban are, Liberty Township, is just 16 miles from Daytons premier boom area, Austin Landing?
Billions of dollars in investment is flowing into the I-75 corridor and there is a very high likelihood of an official recognition of a merger in 2020. There's no stopping it at this point.
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No stopping what? Sprawl? Cincy boosters being obsessed with something most here see as a negative. The east coast is pretty built up, do you count all of the Boswash corridor as NYC? What do Dayton posters think of this btw?
You're projecting two conclusions that you can't necessarily draw from midwest1's observations concerning CIN-DAY nor from other forum members you mentioned. As he pointed out here and I have elsewhere, without obsessing, this particular I-75 corridor is an expanding reality giving Cincinnati and Dayton a distinct economic lift over numerous other Midwestern cities. Although there are disadvantages to such growth, they're far outweighed by its advantages.
Obviously, even a CIN-DAY CSA designation wouldn't come anywhere close to Baltimore's CSA, except for just one thing: technically speaking, Baltimore, itself, doesn't have a CSA that does not include Washington DC and Arlington, VA.* This tie-in is the strongest advantage Baltimore possesses over other cities here; otherwise several of these cities, especially Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, surpass it in significant categories.
Obviously, even a CIN-DAY CSA designation wouldn't come anywhere close to Baltimore's CSA, except for just one thing: technically speaking, Baltimore, itself, doesn't have a CSA that does not include Washington DC and Arlington, VA.* This tie-in is the strongest advantage Baltimore possesses over other cities here; otherwise several of these cities, especially Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, surpass it in significant categories.
"...especially Cincinnati and Pittsburgh", huh? Curious to know what "significant categories" you're referring to. Are you talking about central city crime rate? Ok, I give you that. What else? Because St. Louis surpasses Cincinnati in most significant categories and you seem to be in denial about that. Population? Check. GDP? Check. Media market rank? Check. Airport and rail passenger traffic? Check. Transit? Check. Universities/Hospitals? Check.
"...especially Cincinnati and Pittsburgh", huh? Curious to know what "significant categories" you're referring to. Are you talking about central city crime rate? Ok, I give you that. What else? Because St. Louis surpasses Cincinnati in most significant categories and you seem to be in denial about that. Population? Check. GDP? Check. Media market rank? Check. Airport and rail passenger traffic? Check. Transit? Check. Universities/Hospitals? Check.
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Meanwhile, Cincinnati dominates St. Louis in its number of nationally and globally important corporations and business connections plus branding/marketing/retailing power. After this, it surpasses St. Louis in CSA/MSA/City population growth; job growth; river port tonnage and importance; overwhelming airport importance (AMAZON-DHL); logistical location (I-75); manufacturing importance (world's largest producer of commercial jet engines) and the growth of CIN-DAY (Ohio's "Aerospace Corridor") - which is projected to soon make Cincinnati a larger MSA than St. Louis...
Something you may fail to realize is that the area between Cincinnati and Dayton has two small legacy industrial river cities, Hamilton and Middletown, both of which are showing signs of urban revival, breweries, artisan distillers, art galleries, wine/coffee bars, yoga studios, all in a legacy urban environment.
There are other towns along the way, Mason, Franklin, Trenton, Miamisburg that have small historic cores that add to the character of the I-75 corridor.
And heck, even Liberty Center and Austin Landing are incorporating residential/apartments into the mix, it's not all a strip mall.
You're projecting two conclusions that you can't necessarily draw from midwest1's observations concerning CIN-DAY nor from other forum members you mentioned. As he pointed out here and I have elsewhere, without obsessing, this particular I-75 corridor is an expanding reality giving Cincinnati and Dayton a distinct economic lift over numerous other Midwestern cities. Although there are disadvantages to such growth, they're far outweighed by its advantages.
Obviously, even a CIN-DAY CSA designation wouldn't come anywhere close to Baltimore's CSA, except for just one thing: technically speaking, Baltimore, itself, doesn't have a CSA that does not include Washington DC and Arlington, VA.* This tie-in is the strongest advantage Baltimore possesses over other cities here; otherwise several of these cities, especially Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, surpass it in significant categories.
Seems to me like he used a lot solid facts that put St. Louis on top of Cincy (population, gdp, media market etc.) while you want to use various rates taken from a single moment in time. Some random sunbelt suburb probably grew faster than cities like NYC, London, and Paris, that doesn't make them more important. Cincy can grow faster, but St. Louis is still way ahead of it.
Other than that you're throwing out some relatively subjective things, or trying to move the goal posts (a company HQ standing in for Cincy, jet engines... orchestras... oops! wrong poster!), because you have nothing to deal with these hard facts (even though they were good enough for you to use against Cleveland... oops, you'll just keep downplaying them with St. Louis).
You're projecting two conclusions that you can't necessarily draw from midwest1's observations concerning CIN-DAY nor from other forum members you mentioned. As he pointed out here and I have elsewhere, without obsessing, this particular I-75 corridor is an expanding reality giving Cincinnati and Dayton a distinct economic lift over numerous other Midwestern cities. Although there are disadvantages to such growth, they're far outweighed by its advantages.
Obviously, even a CIN-DAY CSA designation wouldn't come anywhere close to Baltimore's CSA, except for just one thing: technically speaking, Baltimore, itself, doesn't have a CSA that does not include Washington DC and Arlington, VA.* This tie-in is the strongest advantage Baltimore possesses over other cities here; otherwise several of these cities, especially Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, surpass it in significant categories.
Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA Combined Statistical Area 9,665,892 9,051,961 +6.78% Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area
How about you answer what I posted, is the entire Boswash corridor just NYC then??? Just becaus there's stuff in between? How far away from a city do you have to get for it to not be a part of the city? "Cin-Day" ( ) isn't even recognized yet, but even if it was, it's not a stand-in for Cincy. Just like the Boswash corridor numbers don't magically count for NYC's numbers, 1/3 of Ohio doesn't equal Cincy (it just makes this look sad). OTR is awesome Cincy, Dayton is Dayton.
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Stlgasm,
Something you may fail to realize is that the area between Cincinnati and Dayton has two small legacy industrial river cities, Hamilton and Middletown, both of which are showing signs of urban revival, breweries, artisan distillers, art galleries, wine/coffee bars, yoga studios, all in a legacy urban environment.
There are other towns along the way, Mason, Franklin, Trenton, Miamisburg that have small historic cores that add to the character of the I-75 corridor.
And heck, even Liberty Center and Austin Landing are incorporating residential/apartments into the mix, it's not all a strip mall.
... and what does this mean to you in the context of this thread? It's not important...
You're projecting two conclusions that you can't necessarily draw from midwest1's observations concerning CIN-DAY nor from other forum members you mentioned. As he pointed out here and I have elsewhere, without obsessing, this particular I-75 corridor is an expanding reality giving Cincinnati and Dayton a distinct economic lift over numerous other Midwestern cities. Although there are disadvantages to such growth, they're far outweighed by its advantages.
Obviously, even a CIN-DAY CSA designation wouldn't come anywhere close to Baltimore's CSA, except for just one thing: technically speaking, Baltimore, itself, doesn't have a CSA that does not include Washington DC and Arlington, VA.* This tie-in is the strongest advantage Baltimore possesses over other cities here; otherwise several of these cities, especially Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, surpass it in significant categories.
Seems to me like he used a lot of solid facts that put St. Louis on top of Cincy (population, gdp, media market etc.) while you want to use various rates taken from a single moment in time. Some random sunbelt suburb probably grew faster than cities like NYC, London, and Paris, that doesn't make them more important. Cincy can grow faster, but St. Louis is still way ahead of it.
So did I, but you chose to ignore them because they didn't fit your narrative. Next, your comparison of sunbelt cities-vs-NYC, London and Paris simply doesn't work as an analogy of Cincinnati-vs-St.Louis, wherein population differences are so less extreme.
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Other than that you're throwing out some really subjective things, or trying to move the goal posts (a company HQ standing in for Cincy, jet engines... orchestras... oops! wrong poster!), because you have nothing to deal with these hard facts (even though they were good enough for you to use against Cleveland... oops, you'll just keep downplaying them with St. Louis).
By ignoring facts I presented in order to fit your own narrative, you present the same problem. You've also garbled what I've said to fit this narrative, such as your twisted comment concerning Cincinnati's production of jet engines. It's obvious that you mean to minimize the sheer importance of GE Aviation being headquartered in Cincinnati and that the company's design, production and testing of commercial jet engines is centered in Cincinnati. The only "subjective" observation that I might add is that if GE (headquartered in Boston) ever breaks up as a company - a real possibility, considering its dire circumstances - its Aviation Division will most certainly remain headquartered in Cincinnati - thus giving the city a third F100 company.
At this time, my best suggestion to you and your St. Louis play pal is that you quit tripping over each other in such desperation to move the goal posts yourselves in order to construct two erroneous narratives.
Maybe motorman doesn’t realize that Boeing’s military division is headquartered in St. Louis... it’s true- the company’s design, production and testing happen here.
Woo hoo, but the manufacture of jets/jet engines isn’t the deciding factor of a city’s importance.
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) isn't even recognized yet, but even if it was, it's not a stand-in for Cincy. Just like the Boswash corridor numbers don't magically count for NYC's numbers, 1/3 of Ohio doesn't equal Cincy (it just makes this look sad). OTR is awesome Cincy, Dayton is Dayton. 