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Old 05-07-2016, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Cool interactive tool by the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...our-money&_r=0

Top 1%:
- New York: $608,584
- San Francisco-Oakland: $558,046
- Boston: $529,343
- Washington D.C.: $513,000
- Chicago: $479,844
- Los Angeles: $466,895
- San Diego: $428,000
- Minneapolis: $427,900
- Denver: $426,100
- Dallas-Fort Worth: $425,060
- Philadelphia: $424,552
- Houston: $423,345
- Miami: $408,154
- Seattle: $408,153
- Atlanta: $407,500
- Phoenix: $381,600
- Detroit: $338,127

At a later point a top 5%, top 10%, top 20%, top 25%, so on and so forth will also be compiled but for now this is a good start.

Don't even bother. No one cares how much the poorer ones make.
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Minneapolis/St.Paul having a wealthier 1% than Houston is definitely a shock.
One reason is that Minneapolis is more homogenous. Lower rate of poverty. Low earners pull Houston's average down. 1% = top 1% of the entire pool. If you have too many poorer people, it drags the top down. Some cities overcome that with very wealthy industries (like finance, and tech). But despite the hype, Houston's oil executives don't make anywhere near as much money as finance and tech titans.

But yes, I'm sure when isolated, Houston's rich earn more than the rich of Minneapolis.

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Old 05-07-2016, 01:31 AM
 
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Hey I have a question for you guys! So besides Doctor what other carrers would people have where they are making over 300,000?
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Old 05-07-2016, 05:18 AM
 
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It's not the bottom earners that is pulling Seattle and Houston down, it's where the wealth is stacked.

Comparing Houston to DFW for example, There is more wealth in Houston overall and it has a higher per capita income than DFW, but DFW has more Billionaires.
Where Houston gains it's heft is in the multi millionaire range. Houston had tens of thousands more multi millionaires but the top of the pile in DFW is higher.

So the top say 10 to 20 percent in Houston should boost it higher because it's relatively lower numbers of billionaires would be even things out.

Saying that however, I would think that the top 1% of NY, SF and LA would be in the multi millions.
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Old 05-07-2016, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Montco PA
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Don't even bother. No one cares how much the poorer ones make.
I can see it now: "The poor in my city make more than the poor in your city."
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Old 05-07-2016, 06:15 AM
 
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I can see it now: "The poor in my city make more than the poor in your city."
That's actually a much more important metric for determining a city's economic strength tham what the top 1% make.
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Old 05-07-2016, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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One reason is that Minneapolis is more homogenous. Lower rate of poverty. Low earners pull Houston's average down. 1% = top 1% of the entire pool. If you have too many poorer people, it drags the top down. Some cities overcome that with very wealthy industries (like finance, and tech). But despite the hype, Houston's oil executives don't make anywhere near as much money as finance and tech titans.

But yes, I'm sure when isolated, Houston's rich earn more than the rich of Minneapolis.
The rich are being isolated. Top 1% here usually means the top 1% of the population listed by income (family/household?). The lower 99% of Minneapolis could suddenly be living in poverty and Minneapolis would still rank above Houston. Well, until the reality of said hypothetical, unrealistic situation hits them and their income likely diminishes, or they move.

It might be easier to see with smaller numbers and a larger percentage, to help visualize it. Say we compared the income of the top 10% of two groups of people, both groups made up of ten people. A={51, 68, 60, 56, 77, 52, 35, 84, 78, 95} and B={73, 85, 90, 82, 62, 32, 64, 91, 79, 53}. A would have a top 10% income of 95, higher than the top 10% income for B, 91. However, it is evident that this is not because of the poor in B, since B has a higher average income than A, 71.1 to 65.6.

Of course, unless I, something I doubt, misinterpreted your post and you meant the low earners within Houston's 1% is bring down the average. I suppose that could possibly be what you meant, though I am unsure how anyone could make a casual observation and say that city X's top half of the 1% makes more than the same group for city Y while city Y's bottom half of the 1% make less than the same group for city X.
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Old 05-07-2016, 06:56 AM
 
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The rich are being isolated. Top 1% here usually means the top 1% of the population listed by income (family/household?). The lower 99% of Minneapolis could suddenly be living in poverty and Minneapolis would still rank above Houston. Well, until the reality of said hypothetical, unrealistic situation hits them and their income likely diminishes, or they move.

It might be easier to see with smaller numbers and a larger percentage, to help visualize it. Say we compared the income of the top 10% of two groups of people, both groups made up of ten people. A={51, 68, 60, 56, 77, 52, 35, 84, 78, 95} and B={73, 85, 90, 82, 62, 32, 64, 91, 79, 53}. A would have a top 10% income of 95, higher than the top 10% income for B, 91. However, it is evident that this is not because of the poor in B, since B has a higher average income than A, 71.1 to 65.6.

Of course, unless I, something I doubt, misinterpreted your post and you meant the low earners within Houston's 1% is bring down the average. I suppose that could possibly be what you meant, though I am unsure how anyone could make a casual observation and say that city X's top half of the 1% makes more than the same group for city Y while city Y's bottom half of the 1% make less than the same group for city X.
You put a lot of thought replying to a post that could be summarized as "Houston is poor bcuz blecks and messicans"
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Old 05-07-2016, 07:11 AM
 
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One reason is that Minneapolis is more homogenous. Lower rate of poverty. Low earners pull Houston's average down. 1% = top 1% of the entire pool. If you have too many poorer people, it drags the top down. Some cities overcome that with very wealthy industries (like finance, and tech). But despite the hype, Houston's oil executives don't make anywhere near as much money as finance and tech titans.

But yes, I'm sure when isolated, Houston's rich earn more than the rich of Minneapolis.
Wait how are the wages of the top 1% impacted by the bottom 10%? Makes no sense.
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Old 05-07-2016, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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That's actually a much more important metric for determining a city's economic strength tham what the top 1% make.
Yet there seems to be an obsession with the ultra wealthy on this particular site for whatever reason.
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