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Old 06-14-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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I could've guessed that people would be quick to assume a Texas downturn after a single year comes in negative. It will be decades before alternative modes of energy put significant stress on the traditional fossil fuels. And by that point, the US will have diversified its energy portfolio. Companies like ExxonMobil and Valero are still huge companies in the F500, even with the downturn of oil this past year. And why are we expecting oil & gas to remain low, have we learned nothing from the past?
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:15 PM
 
Location: So California
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Absolutely!

Or as they say in Tejas......"Url!"

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Old 06-14-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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History says you likely will be.
Are you going to explain why?
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Are you going to explain why?
Well this particular industry has done this before and each time, it has rebounded. One example is the 1980s.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:09 PM
 
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Well this particular industry has done this before and each time, it has rebounded. One example is the 1980s.
That was 30+ years ago, but I see your point. I think we live in a VERY different world today where it's not at all unfeasible that oil prices continue to fall or remain stagnant. This may be an unpopular opinion with some Houstonians and other oil-producing areas, but I personally think we should drastically reduce our consumption of oil (and other heavy pollutants)...even if it hurts some sectors of our economy in the short term. Climate Change is very real and we're already seeing the adverse consequences of unabated fossil fuel consumption.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Unplugged from the matrix
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Fuel efficiency improvements, alternative modes of energy, and a growing preference for transit don't bode well for oil-based economies. Throw in low prices and large quantities shipped from the ME and I don't see oil being the commodity it once was. I could very well be wrong though - by no means an expert in the subject.
The big four metro areas that run the state have diverse economies. Houston's econony continues to get diverse. Texas will have a hand in all of those things you named. Like you said this isnt the thirty years ago. Texas is a lot healthier and has withstood a energy bust pretty well. If this was 30 years ago, the unemployment in Houston wouldn't be less than 5% right now.
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Old 06-14-2016, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Houston and West Texas can account for the drop in Texas. DFW and Austin are booming.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Florida has similar popukation to New York, but almost the same gdp as Illinois.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Florida was hit so hard in the last crash. From 2006-2014 our gdp basically didn't budge. Finally growing again and close the gap with New York.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:55 AM
 
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Pretty much. That's where the term 'Boom and Bust' comes from.

That being said, I think it's more important to look at GDP growth over time rather than take a state's temperature quarter-by-quarter. That way you weed out anomalies based on the wild fluctuations in a single industry such as fossil fuels.

Mind you, there's a million ways to slice and dice this. Texas, as one example, has had huge population growth. Meanwhile, New York has only added 1,500,000 in population over the past 45 years.



Now compare to population:

You also have to keep in mind that a lot of that could be attributed to people in the NYC area just moving to suburbs/exurbs in NJ, CT and PA, while still contributing to that city's/metro's economy.
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