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Billions of dollars in income crosses MSA lines and freeways are clogged in one MSA due to traffic from another, and they usually share recreational and leisure anenities, etc.
If SF and DC instantly dissapeared, it would cause pain to 15%-24.9% of the workers in San Jose and Baltimore, instantly.
The notion that CSAs are some loosely thrown together hodge podge of MSAs that just happen to be neighbors, is ludicrous.
This was not some plot hatched to unfairly enlarge some areas---what nonsense.
CSAs are subject to congressional approval, and thus subject to gerrymandering. If 15 of metro A commutes into metro B, that does not truly make them a single metro. Another 15 of metro A may very well be commuting to metro C, but the OMB chose to attach it to the aforementioned Metro A.
No one is saying that CSA is TRULY arbitrary, but that it isn't truly indicative of a single, cohesive metro.
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Baltimore is NOT part of the DC area, it's part of the Baltimore area. To say that is lunacy.
Someone living in Howard County saying they live in the DC/Baltimore area, rather than just "Baltimore" is FAR from lunacy, in fact I could understand them even preferring to add DC in there due to the negative connotation associated with Baltimore.
No one in either city proper or immediate suburb would claim the other area however.
OK, and? They are white per the Census. What is your specific concern? Do you consider Morrocans to be African Americans, Asians, Pacific Islanders or Native Americans? Those are the only other racial categories per Census.
This makes no sense. Someone from Lebanon is considered white, whether or not you personally disagree. Someone from a suburb commonly refers to the main city to identify their location, whether or not you personally disagree.
This conversation will likely be put to rest at some point in the future. Milwaukee and Chicago are 90 miles apart (downtown to downtown). There may very well be enough overlap between the two in the not so distant future that they are considered one CSA. There's already a substantial population of individuals commuting between Milwaukee and Chicago's northern suburbs.
Not true. Chicago and Milwaukee are nowhere close to becoming a CSA. The CSA business rules are quite strict, and you need heavy commuting patterns.
And it doesn't even make any sense. Milwaukee and Chicago aren't particularly close to one another, and the main factors leading to supercommuting (particularly extreme housing costs) aren't present in that part of the country.
Someone living in Howard County saying they live in the DC/Baltimore area, rather than just "Baltimore" is FAR from lunacy, in fact I could understand them even preferring to add DC in there due to the negative connotation associated with Baltimore.
DC hasn't completely shed it's image either, so you wouldn't be adding that you live between Baltimore and Mayberry.
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As overall entities, the bay area and DC both are probabl slightly ahead of Chicago. However, Chicago is more dominant over its region than SF and DC are. The vast majoriy of Chicago's CSA feels iike Chicago. The same cant be said of the other areas. People on the fringe areas identify with Chicago. If youre from Baltimore, you dont say youre from DC. And Im not refering to DC proper, im talking about the entire area that feels like DC. i know the suburbs are connected, but at some point you start feeling like youre in Baltimore the further you get away from DC. DC and SF (the areas that feel like SF and DC, NOT city propers) get propped up by csa. Chicago as a whole feels more vast and powerful and looks like it too. Chicago's numbered city grid stretches to the far south suburbs to the end of Cook county.
This so far is the best post of this thread in relation the CSA talk.
Regardless, whether its right now or in 15 years I think DC MSA alone will be able hold its own against any MSA not named NY/LA. Chicago will always feel larger, but I think most of what you look for in one area you will get in the other.
CSAs are subject to congressional approval, and thus subject to gerrymandering. If 15 of metro A commutes into metro B, that does not truly make them a single metro. Another 15 of metro A may very well be commuting to metro C, but the OMB chose to attach it to the aforementioned Metro A.
No one is saying that CSA is TRULY arbitrary, but that it isn't truly indicative of a single, cohesive metro.
No, CSAs are not subject to congressional approval. They are designated when the commuter threshold of 15% is acheived between 2 MSAs.
15-24.9% of the workers of one MSA work in another MSA.
If it reaches 25% or greater, they combine into a single MSA.
I was wrong about Congress. The White House Office of Management and Budget determines MSA., not the census. Still subject to gerrymandering.
No, there is no 'gerrymandering' in the process. What are you talking about?
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Those are the only other racial categories per Census.
