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Old 09-03-2016, 09:37 PM
 
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DMA Ranks 2009 - 2017 and change:

2009:
01. New York: 7,433,820
02. Los Angeles: 5,654,260
03. Chicago: 3,492,850
04. Philadelphia: 2,950,220
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,489,970
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,476,450
07. Boston: 2,409,080
08. Atlanta: 2,369,780
09. Washington DC: 2,321,610
10. Houston: 2,106,210

2010:
01. New York: 7,493,530
02. Los Angeles: 5,659,170
03. Chicago: 3,501,010
04. Philadelphia: 2,955,190
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,544,410
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,503,400
07. Boston: 2,410,180
08. Atlanta: 2,387,520
09. Washington DC: 2,335,040
10. Houston: 2,123,460

2011:
01. New York: 7,515,330
02. Los Angeles: 5,666,900
03. Chicago: 3,502,610
04. Philadelphia: 3,015,820
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,594,630
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,523,520
07. Boston: 2,460,290
08. Atlanta: 2,407,080
09. Washington DC 2,389,710
10. Houston: 2,177,220

2012:
01. New York: 7,387,810
02. Los Angeles: 5,569,780
03. Chicago: 3,493,480
04. Philadelphia: 2,993,370
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,571,310
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,506,510
07. Boston: 2,379,690
08. Washington DC 2,360,180
09. Atlanta: 2,292,640
10. Houston: 2,185,260

2013:
01. New York: 7,384,340
02. Los Angeles: 5,613,460
03. Chicago: 3,484,800
04. Philadelphia: 2,949,310
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,588,020
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,502,030
07. Boston: 2,366,690
08. Washington DC: 2,359,160
09. Atlanta: 2,326,840
10. Houston: 2,215,650

2014:
01. New York: 7,461,030
02. Los Angeles: 5,665,780
03. Chicago: 3,534,080
04. Philadelphia: 2,963,500
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,655,290
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,518,900
07. Boston: 2,433,040
08. Washington DC: 2,412,250
09. Atlanta: 2,375,050
10. Houston: 2,289,360

2015:
01. New York: 7,442,270
02. Los Angeles: 5,523,800
03. Chicago: 3,477,250
04. Philadelphia: 2,953,760
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,603,680
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,476,860
07. Boston: 2,423,640
08. Washington DC: 2,408,990
09. Atlanta: 2,334,520
10. Houston: 2,301,230

2016:
01. New York: 7,368,320
02. Los Angeles: 5,489,810
03. Chicago: 3,475,220
04. Philadelphia: 2,917,920
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,646,370
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,484,690
07. Washington D.C.: 2,443,640
08. Boston: 2,411,250
09. Atlanta: 2,385,730
10. Houston: 2,373,700

2017:
01. New York: 7,348,620
02. Los Angeles: 5,476,830
03. Chicago: 3,463,060
04. Philadelphia: 2,942,800
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,713,380
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,488,090
07. Washington D.C.: 2,476,680
08. Houston: 2,450,800
09. Boston: 2,424,240
10. Atlanta: 2,412,730
Top 20 Media Markets in 2017:
01. New York: 7,348,620
02. Los Angeles: 5,476,830
03. Chicago: 3,463,060
04. Philadelphia: 2,942,800
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,713,380
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,488,090
07. Washington D.C.: 2,476,680
08. Houston: 2,450,800
09. Boston: 2,424,240
10. Atlanta: 2,412,730
11. Tampa Bay Area: 1,908,590
12. Phoenix: 1,890,100
13. Detroit: 1,853,030
14. Seattle: 1,808,530
15. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 1,742,530
16. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 1,696,330 (minus West Palm Beach - separate media market)
17. Denver: 1,630,380
18. Orlando: 1,519,570
19. Cleveland: 1,498,960
20. Sacramento: 1,379,770


http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/c...-dma-ranks.pdf
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:40 PM
 
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The biggest possible future shakeups occur in markets 6-10. Look how close they are. I think SF will maintain #6, but 7-10 could change in the near future.

Seattle could also overtake Detroit soon.

I think it is important to remember that DMA's are "television markets", not population markets. There are big differences.
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:55 PM
 
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atlanta keeps going down
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Old 09-04-2016, 01:33 AM
 
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West Palm Beach should really be in Miami's market.
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:31 AM
 
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atlanta keeps going down
No surprise; Atlanta struggled really hard to recover from the recession during the years represented here, which affected its growth. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to 8th or 9th in the coming years.
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Old 09-04-2016, 11:49 AM
 
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The biggest possible future shakeups occur in markets 6-10. Look how close they are. I think SF will maintain #6, but 7-10 could change in the near future.
Objectively speaking, I don't think there is a high chance of the San Francisco Bay Area retaining the #6 spot next year. The San Francisco Bay Area has been in the 2.4 million television households range since 2003. Other places in the 6-10 range have added hundreds of thousands of television household markets in that same time frame.
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No surprise; Atlanta struggled really hard to recover from the recession during the years represented here, which affected its growth. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to 8th or 9th in the coming years.
The Great Recession had very little to do with television market households. Like another poster mentioned, this is not affiliated with population growth, it is very different. You can live in a metropolitan area that's had declining population for 50 years and live in one of the fastest growing television households market (this isn't actually happening with anywhere, I'm giving you an example).

The media markets are determined by how many households have access to television and growth is measured by television service subscriptions or local area networks adding more television sets to their capacity.

During the recession years of 2008-2010, majority of American markets posted gains as television became more popular than going to the movies during a time period of financial uncertainties.
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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I couldn't find Nielsen Media Market rankings for 2004 or 2005 but I have everything else from 2003 to 2017.

2003:
01. New York: 7,282,320
02. Los Angeles: 5,318,040
03. Chicago: 3,351,330
04. Philadelphia: 2,830,470
05. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,436,220
06. Boston: 2,353,500
07. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,195,540
08. Washington D.C.: 2,169,230
09. Atlanta: 1,971,180
10. Detroit: 1,899,910

2006:
01. New York: 7,375,530
02. Los Angeles: 5,536,430
03. Chicago: 3,430,790
04. Philadelphia: 2,925,560
05. Boston: 2,375,310
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,355,740
07. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,336,140
08. Washington D.C.: 2,252,550
09. Atlanta: 2,097,220
10. Houston: 1,938,670

2007:
01. New York: 7,366,950
02. Los Angeles: 5,611,110
03. Chicago: 3,455,020
04. Philadelphia: 2,941,450
05. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,383,570
06. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,378,660
07. Boston: 2,372,030
08. Washington D.C.: 2,272,120
09. Atlanta: 2,205,510
10. Houston: 1,982,120

2008:
01. New York: 7,391,940
02. Los Angeles: 5,647,440
03. Chicago: 3,469,110
04. Philadelphia: 2,939,950
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,435,600
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,419,440
07. Boston: 2,393,960
08. Atlanta: 2,310,490
09. Washington D.C.: 2,308,290
10. Houston: 2,050,550

2009:
01. New York: 7,433,820
02. Los Angeles: 5,654,260
03. Chicago: 3,492,850
04. Philadelphia: 2,950,220
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,489,970
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,476,450
07. Boston: 2,409,080
08. Atlanta: 2,369,780
09. Washington D.C.: 2,321,610
10. Houston: 2,106,210

2010:
01. New York: 7,493,530
02. Los Angeles: 5,659,170
03. Chicago: 3,501,010
04. Philadelphia: 2,955,190
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,544,410
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,503,400
07. Boston: 2,410,180
08. Atlanta: 2,387,520
09. Washington D.C.: 2,335,040
10. Houston: 2,123,460

2011:
01. New York: 7,515,330
02. Los Angeles: 5,666,900
03. Chicago: 3,502,610
04. Philadelphia: 3,015,820
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,594,630
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,523,520
07. Boston: 2,460,290
08. Atlanta: 2,407,080
09. Washington D.C. 2,389,710
10. Houston: 2,177,220

2012:
01. New York: 7,387,810
02. Los Angeles: 5,569,780
03. Chicago: 3,493,480
04. Philadelphia: 2,993,370
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,571,310
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,506,510
07. Boston: 2,379,690
08. Washington D.C. 2,360,180
09. Atlanta: 2,292,640
10. Houston: 2,185,260

2013:
01. New York: 7,384,340
02. Los Angeles: 5,613,460
03. Chicago: 3,484,800
04. Philadelphia: 2,949,310
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,588,020
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,502,030
07. Boston: 2,366,690
08. Washington D.C.: 2,359,160
09. Atlanta: 2,326,840
10. Houston: 2,215,650

2014:
01. New York: 7,461,030
02. Los Angeles: 5,665,780
03. Chicago: 3,534,080
04. Philadelphia: 2,963,500
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,655,290
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,518,900
07. Boston: 2,433,040
08. Washington D.C.: 2,412,250
09. Atlanta: 2,375,050
10. Houston: 2,289,360

2015:
01. New York: 7,442,270
02. Los Angeles: 5,523,800
03. Chicago: 3,477,250
04. Philadelphia: 2,953,760
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,603,680
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,476,860
07. Boston: 2,423,640
08. Washington D.C.: 2,408,990
09. Atlanta: 2,334,520
10. Houston: 2,301,230

2016:
01. New York: 7,368,320
02. Los Angeles: 5,489,810
03. Chicago: 3,475,220
04. Philadelphia: 2,917,920
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,646,370
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,484,690
07. Washington D.C.: 2,443,640
08. Boston: 2,411,250
09. Atlanta: 2,385,730
10. Houston: 2,373,700

2017:
01. New York: 7,348,620
02. Los Angeles: 5,476,830
03. Chicago: 3,463,060
04. Philadelphia: 2,942,800
05. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 2,713,380
06. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,488,090
07. Washington D.C.: 2,476,680
08. Houston: 2,450,800
09. Boston: 2,424,240
10. Atlanta: 2,412,730
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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The Great Recession had very little to do with television market households. Like another poster mentioned, this is not affiliated with population growth, it is very different. You can live in a metropolitan area that's had declining population for 50 years and live in one of the fastest growing television households market (this isn't actually happening with anywhere, I'm giving you an example).

The media markets are determined by how many households have access to television and growth is measured by television service subscriptions or local area networks adding more television sets to their capacity.

During the recession years of 2008-2010, majority of American markets posted gains as television became more popular than going to the movies during a time period of financial uncertainties.
I'm failing to see how this is completely detached from population growth.
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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2016 to 2017 (1 year) Change in Nielsen Media Market Households:
01. Houston: + 77,100
02. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: + 67,010
03. Washington D.C.: + 33,040
04. Atlanta: + 27,000
05. Philadelphia: + 24,880
06. Boston: + 12,990
07. San Francisco Bay Area: + 3,400
08. Chicago: -12,160
09. Los Angeles: -12,980
10. New York: -19,700

2007 to 2017 (10 years) Change in Nielsen Media Market Households:
01. Houston: + 468,680
02. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: + 334,720
03. Atlanta: + 207,220
04. Washington D.C.: + 204,560
05. San Francisco Bay Area: + 104,520
06. Boston: + 52,210
07. Chicago: + 8,040
08. Philadelphia: + 1,350
09. New York: -18,330
10. Los Angeles: -134,280

2003 to 2017 (14 years) Change in Nielsen Media Market Households:
01. Houston: + 636,660
02. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: + 517,840
03. Atlanta: + 441,550
04. Washington D.C.: + 307,450
05. Los Angeles: + 158,790
06. Philadelphia: + 112,330
07. Chicago: + 111,730
08. Boston: + 70,740
09. New York: + 66,300
10. San Francisco Bay Area: + 51,870
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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I'm failing to see how this is completely detached from population growth.
Except that it is detached from population growth.

For example, in the last year Los Angeles and New York have posted population gains in the top 5 (MSA/CSA) of the United States and their media markets have posted declines. In the last 10 years Los Angeles has added over 1.3 million people and its media market has still posted a decline in over 130,000 television households, that decline leads all of America, but Los Angeles is not a declining metropolitan area - far from it, in fact, quite the opposite. Similar can be said of New York. They lead the United States in television market contraction. Last year Philadelphia's media market posted far larger gains than the San Francisco Bay Area. When it comes to population growth, Philadelphia is nowhere in the same league as the San Francisco Bay Area (the San Francisco Bay Area added + 110,000 people while Greater Philadelphia added only + 18,000 people; over 6X less people than the San Francisco Bay Area.)

Again, media markets are tabulated and ranked by television households. Meaning people have to want to own a television, have to want to pay a television service provider (or just utilize the limited local area coverage networks), and want to watch television for it to count, it has very little to do with population growth or a recession. It is a cultural trend not a population growth one. The reason places are posting declines is because in those markets television is increasingly being abandoned for other modes of media and entertainment (most notably, the Internet). Again, you can live in the largest declining metropolitan area in the United States by population but still live in one of the fastest growing television markets in the country. Growth and contraction in media markets aren't correlated with population growth in metropolitan areas or combined statistical areas.

The earlier reasoning about the recession slowing the growth of media markets is off the mark as well. During the Great Recession, television actually posted a strong comeback at the expense of movie theaters and other commercial screening venues.

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