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Old 09-10-2016, 05:10 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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This thread is designed to get an understanding of how much certain flagship cities dominate their state and beyond.

Criteria: This will be a ranking of the cities listed below which are each a top 30 MSA in the US. If a state has more than one top 30 MSA then it will be excluded. In other words no Floridas, Texas', NY's, or California cities/metros will be amongst this comparison. Best example Atlanta, it dominates its state and most of the SE completely and uninterrupted for hundreds of miles. St Louis will not be mentioned as KC is literally 30th in MSA population, although it's on its way out before the next Census in all likelyhood.

I want to know how much a single city dominates its state and how wide the gap is in relation to the rest of its state. Which cities under perform in their respective state (or nationally) and should dominate better. Also explain each of these cities global impact and how they will impact the American future economy in the coming years. Which ones may over take others in terms of importance, which ones may not even be a top 30 metro in 20 years. etc.

MSA's where only Flagship city is top 30 metro in the state 2015 population:

Chicago: 9,551,000
Atlanta: 5,710,000
Boston: 4,774,000
Phoenix: 4,574,000
Detroit: 4,302,000
Seattle: 3,733,000
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 3,524,000
Denver: 2,814,000
Baltimore: 2,797,000
Portland: 2,389,000
Las Vegas 2,114,801


The only true exclusion from the list is Cincinnati which is the 28th MSA metro ranking, but Cleveland and Columbus are literally right behind it at 31st and 32nd respectively. Also Baltimore technically shares its state with another top 30 metro, but the primary city of that metro is not in its state.

This is only population rankings if anyone has GDP or TPI etc feel free to add statistics.

So discuss which ones dominate/ have the best influence?
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Old 09-10-2016, 07:10 PM
 
Location: The Windy City
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Chicago controls the entire state of Illinois. Illinois is no different than Missouri and Indiana. Mostly rural and conservative, but Chicago messes up everything.
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Old 09-10-2016, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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This thread is designed to get an understanding of how much certain flagship cities dominate their state and beyond.

Criteria: This will be a ranking of the cities listed below which are each a top 30 MSA in the US. If a state has more than one top 30 MSA then it will be excluded. In other words no Floridas, Texas', NY's, or California cities/metros will be amongst this comparison. Best example Atlanta, it dominates its state and most of the SE completely and uninterrupted for hundreds of miles. St Louis will not be mentioned as KC is literally 30th in MSA population, although it's on its way out before the next Census in all likelyhood.

I want to know how much a single city dominates its state and how wide the gap is in relation to the rest of its state. Which cities under perform in their respective state (or nationally) and should dominate better. Also explain each of these cities global impact and how they will impact the American future economy in the coming years. Which ones may over take others in terms of importance, which ones may not even be a top 30 metro in 20 years. etc.

MSA's where only Flagship city is top 30 metro in the state 2015 population:

Chicago: 9,551,000
Atlanta: 5,710,000
Boston: 4,774,000
Phoenix: 4,574,000
Detroit: 4,302,000
Seattle: 3,733,000
Minneapolis-Saint Paul: 3,524,000
Denver: 2,814,000
Baltimore: 2,797,000
Portland: 2,389,000
Las Vegas 2,114,801


The only true exclusion from the list is Cincinnati which is the 28th MSA metro ranking, but Cleveland and Columbus are literally right behind it at 31st and 32nd respectively. Also Baltimore technically shares its state with another top 30 metro, but the primary city of that metro is not in its state.

This is only population rankings if anyone has GDP or TPI etc feel free to add statistics.

So discuss which ones dominate/ have the best influence?
I can say that if you are working age especially, that AZ is Phoenix, 3/4 of the state lives in our metro, and outside of city/county gov, there are no good paying jobs in Tucson, which has 1/6 of the state
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Old 09-10-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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Why *isn't* New York included? NYC is the only top-30 metro there.

Also, Charlotte is missing.
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Old 09-10-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Chicago, Twin Cities, Boston, Atlanta, Phoenix: these cities all dominate their states handedly with probably splitting hairs to say which dominates more. A good case could be made for Seattle, Portland, New York, and Detroit. I can't imagine how any of these cities won't be their dominate cities in the state in the next 20-30 years.
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Old 09-10-2016, 07:54 PM
 
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Baltimore should have been omitted since DC practically functions as a Maryland city.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:28 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Why *isn't* New York included? NYC is the only top-30 metro there.

Also, Charlotte is missing.
Two glaring omissions on my part, my bad. For some reason I was considering Raleigh-Durham top 30, maybe that is CSA.

Those cities can also be discussed, although I'd really like to compare leaving NY out for obvious reasons.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:30 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Baltimore should have been omitted since DC practically functions as a Maryland city.
No Baltimore is in there intentionally. IMO Maryland does a poor job of marketing and selling its "Flagship" city as it has lagged behind other East Coast and census designated South counterparts.

The DC metro area counties prop the state up, while the actual Flagship city of the state lags in comparison.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:36 PM
 
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Two glaring omissions on my part, my bad. For some reason I was considering Raleigh-Durham top 30, maybe that is CSA.

Those cities can also be discussed, although I'd really like to compare leaving NY out for obvious reasons.
Fair enough. But I would also leave out Chicago then, too-it generally blows the rest of these metros out of the water too.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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How do you mean dominate? There are Red Sox caps through Maine and Bruins Jerseys all the way to Cape Breton, but outside of Massachusetts Boston has almost no political power.
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