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View Poll Results: Which is the most geographically constrained?
New York City 15 8.72%
Los Angeles 7 4.07%
Chicago 3 1.74%
Dallas 2 1.16%
Houston 0 0%
Washington 1 0.58%
Philadelphia 1 0.58%
Miami 31 18.02%
Atlanta 0 0%
Boston 6 3.49%
San Francisco 71 41.28%
Phoenix 3 1.74%
Riverside 0 0%
Detroit 1 0.58%
Seattle 21 12.21%
Minneapolis 4 2.33%
San Diego 5 2.91%
Tampa 1 0.58%
Voters: 172. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-04-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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Miami by far. There's nowhere to grow but north and the farthest suburbs are already 90 minutes from Downtown Miami, without any traffic.

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That's also kind of my point about SF, the geography doesn't allow for one main core city, you need multiple, what other metro is made up of multiple large cities? Also I never advocated Miami to build out onto the Everglades.
The Twin Cities, Metroplex, and South Florida just to name a few.
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:30 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Bah, I voted for Washington DC. I thought the thread was for geographically constrained just for the city itself (and DC would be the correct answer because she can never again realistically expand into Maryland or Virginia). But I see the OP is talking about the entire metro area of the city.

So, if I had to vote for the entire metro area, I would go with San Francisco. After that, Los Angeles, New York and Miami. After that I am not sure, maybe Seattle.
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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Where exactly do you think a lot of the people that live there work?

-Nearly 71,000 workers travel into Greater Los Angeles from the Antelope Valley each day.

-Approximately 63,000 workers from Palmdale/Lancaster sub-region spend at least an hour each day on the road; of those, 38,000 spend two or more hours commuting.

-In all, 42% of Lancaster and 53% of Palmdale working residents commuted to the Greater Los Angeles area.


Major Employers/Industries - Greater Antelope Valley Economic Alliance
True, but that isn't a commute most will make. While I acknowledge this is about entire regions and their potential for growth, in terms of demand and infrastructure, the Antelope Valley is harder to fill in than valleys north, southeast, northeast, and east of San Francisco, farmland south of Miami, and valleys east of Honolulu, which are the only cities that could possibly make a claim to be constricted to a degree near Los Angeles.
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Old 01-05-2017, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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Miami by far. There's nowhere to grow but north and the farthest suburbs are already 90 minutes from Downtown Miami, without any traffic.
Miami has a lot of empty farmland south of it.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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Miami has a lot of empty farmland south of it.
Right, but that land is zoned specifically for agriculture. So its basically another dimension to how constrained Miami metro is.
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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Right, but that land is zoned specifically for agriculture. So its basically another dimension to how constrained Miami metro is.
That's less constraining than how the actual mountains (which are mostly owned by the federal government) are for Los Angeles.
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Old 01-12-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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That's less constraining than how the actual mountains (which are mostly owned by the federal government) are for Los Angeles.
If you can't build on it, then you can't build on it, simple as that. Besides, Los Angeles metro extends past those mountains into the Lancaster area, which has tons of land to build on. Los Angeles metro is far from being geographically constrained.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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If you can't build on it, then you can't build on it, simple as that. Besides, Los Angeles metro extends past those mountains into the Lancaster area, which has tons of land to build on. Los Angeles metro is far from being geographically constrained.
You can't change mountains but you can change building restrictions on farmland.
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Old 01-12-2017, 09:20 PM
 
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Easy to see why SF wins by topography as surrounded on 3-sides by water and suburbs on the other. Also Miami as restricted by law from growing west into the everglades.

But other cities are constrained if already built out totally to their suburbs too. Some sunbelt fast growing cities? Still have much land inside city propers to expand. But a Chicago and Cleveland with a Great bordering on one side Also, is built to its suburbs. Sit still constrained to its current borders but to annex suburbs that is unlikly.
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Old 01-13-2017, 12:37 AM
 
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You can't change mountains but you can change building restrictions on farmland.
Convenient how you ignored what I said about the huge valley of mostly unrestricted land north of LA. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7455.../data=!3m1!1e3

Also, look at how little land has been added since 1975 in the UDB in Miami. Its minuscule, and you cant even go much further until you reach the Everglades anyway.
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