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View Poll Results: Rate the 2016 census estimates for PCSAs as it pertains to how your PCSA performed
Euphoria 2 3.23%
Excitement 11 17.74%
Satisfaction 14 22.58%
Average 9 14.52%
Disappointment 17 27.42%
Frustration 5 8.06%
Other 4 6.45%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-29-2017, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Louisville
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I hope when 2023 MSA re-alignment comes out that Washtenaw County is added to Detroit's MSA. Its gains go from plus 1,367 to over 21,000 were that the case. In most cases for major metro's, counties that are adjacent to the core county are not statistically separate. Ann Arbor is closer to Detroit than several points in the current metro alignment, not to mention their urban areas blend together. The economic pull of the university of Michigan has been enough to keep them separate, but I think that will change as Wayne County continues to spill to the west instead of the North.
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Old 03-29-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) 2010-2016:
  • Greater Houston MSA: + 852,054
  • Greater Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA: +807,109
  • Greater New York MSA: + 586,224
  • Greater Atlanta MSA: + 502,972
  • Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA: + 501,752
  • Greater Washington D.C. MSA: + 495,745
  • Greater Los Angeles MSA: + 481,610
  • Greater Phoenix MSA: + 468,650
  • Greater Seattle MSA: + 359,093
  • Greater San Francisco/Oakland MSA: + 343,775
  • Greater Austin MSA: + 340,116
  • Greater Denver MSA: + 309,595
  • Greater Orlando MSA: + 306,846
  • Greater Riverside/San Bernardino MSA: + 302,986
  • Greater San Antonio MSA: + 287,101
  • Greater Charlotte MSA: + 257,302
  • Greater Tampa MSA: + 248,928
  • Greater Boston MSA: + 242,045
  • Greater San Diego MSA: + 222,436
  • Greater Las Vegas MSA: + 204,395
  • Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: + 202,177
  • Greater Portland MSA: + 198,946
  • Greater Nashville MSA: + 194,408
  • Greater Raleigh MSA: + 172,456
  • Greater Sacramento MSA: + 147,291
  • Greater San Jose MSA: + 141,905
  • Greater Columbus MSA: + 139,546
  • Greater Jacksonville MSA: + 132,616
  • Greater Oklahoma City MSA: + 120,224
  • Greater Indianapolis MSA: + 116,353
  • Greater Philadelphia MSA: + 105,157
  • Greater Salt Lake City MSA: + 98,314
  • Greater Kansas City MSA: + 95,167
  • Greater Baltimore MSA: + 88,397
  • Greater New Orleans MSA: + 79,017
  • Greater Richmond MSA: + 73,607
  • Greater Grand Rapids MSA: + 58,161
  • Greater Chicago MSA: + 51,894
  • Greater Cincinnati MSA: + 50,559
  • Greater Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: + 50,085
  • Greater Tulsa MSA: + 49,723
  • Greater Louisville MSA: + 47,722
  • Greater Honolulu MSA: + 39,398
  • Greater Tucson MSA: + 35,943
  • Greater Birmingham MSA: + 19,370
  • Greater Saint Louis MSA: + 19,301
  • Greater Memphis MSA: + 18,013
  • Greater Milwaukee MSA: + 16,574
  • Greater Providence MSA: + 13,898
  • Greater Detroit MSA: + 1,367
  • Greater Rochester MSA: -792
  • Greater Buffalo MSA: -2,705
  • Greater Hartford MSA: -5,545
  • Greater Pittsburgh MSA: -13,986
  • Greater Cleveland MSA: -21,628
Still kinda suprised Rochester and Hartford shrank.
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Old 03-29-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Syracuse, New York
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I thought Portland, oregon was "trendy" and "hipster" why isn't it growing?
Portland's doing okay. It's not much of an international draw. It also has a high percentage of senior citizens and a large gay population, neither which are conducive to a high rate of natural increase.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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Combined Statistical Area (CSA) 2010-2016:
  • Greater Houston CSA: + 857,812
  • Greater Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex CSA: + 855,822
  • Greater Los Angeles CSA: + 811,016
  • Greater Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: + 613,931
  • Greater New York CSA: + 612,591
  • Greater San Francisco Bay Area CSA: + 598,111
  • Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale CSA: + 556,706
  • Greater Atlanta CSA: + 540,966
  • Greater Seattle CSA: + 409,749
  • Greater Orlando CSA: + 384,807
  • Greater Denver CSA: + 379,361
  • Greater Boston CSA: + 283,000
  • Greater Portland CSA: + 239,080
  • Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul CSA: + 209,892
  • Greater Philadelphia CSA: + 111,550
  • Greater Chicago CSA: + 41,705
  • Greater Detroit CSA: -91
  • Greater Cleveland CSA: -32,335
Among the major populated CSAs with currently 3 million or more people.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:16 AM
 
Location: The Mid-Cities
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Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) 2010-2016:
  • Greater Houston MSA: + 852,054
  • Greater Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex MSA: +807,109
  • Greater New York MSA: + 586,224
  • Greater Atlanta MSA: + 502,972
  • Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA: + 501,752
  • Greater Washington D.C. MSA: + 495,745
  • Greater Los Angeles MSA: + 481,610
  • Greater Phoenix MSA: + 468,650
  • Greater Seattle MSA: + 359,093
  • Greater San Francisco/Oakland MSA: + 343,775
  • Greater Austin MSA: + 340,116
  • Greater Denver MSA: + 309,595
  • Greater Orlando MSA: + 306,846
  • Greater Riverside/San Bernardino MSA: + 302,986
  • Greater San Antonio MSA: + 287,101
  • Greater Charlotte MSA: + 257,302
  • Greater Tampa MSA: + 248,928
  • Greater Boston MSA: + 242,045
  • Greater San Diego MSA: + 222,436
  • Greater Las Vegas MSA: + 204,395
  • Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: + 202,177
  • Greater Portland MSA: + 198,946
  • Greater Nashville MSA: + 194,408
  • Greater Raleigh MSA: + 172,456
  • Greater Sacramento MSA: + 147,291
  • Greater San Jose MSA: + 141,905
  • Greater Columbus MSA: + 139,546
  • Greater Jacksonville MSA: + 132,616
  • Greater Oklahoma City MSA: + 120,224
  • Greater Indianapolis MSA: + 116,353
  • Greater Philadelphia MSA: + 105,157
  • Greater Salt Lake City MSA: + 98,314
  • Greater Kansas City MSA: + 95,167
  • Greater Baltimore MSA: + 88,397
  • Greater New Orleans MSA: + 79,017
  • Greater Richmond MSA: + 73,607
  • Greater Grand Rapids MSA: + 58,161
  • Greater Chicago MSA: + 51,894
  • Greater Cincinnati MSA: + 50,559
  • Greater Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: + 50,085
  • Greater Tulsa MSA: + 49,723
  • Greater Louisville MSA: + 47,722
  • Greater Honolulu MSA: + 39,398
  • Greater Tucson MSA: + 35,943
  • Greater Birmingham MSA: + 19,370
  • Greater Saint Louis MSA: + 19,301
  • Greater Memphis MSA: + 18,013
  • Greater Milwaukee MSA: + 16,574
  • Greater Providence MSA: + 13,898
  • Greater Detroit MSA: + 1,367
  • Greater Rochester MSA: -792
  • Greater Buffalo MSA: -2,705
  • Greater Hartford MSA: -5,545
  • Greater Pittsburgh MSA: -13,986
  • Greater Cleveland MSA: -21,628
If 2016's trend's continue, DFW will top the list by the end of the decade.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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If 2016's trend's continue, DFW will top the list by the end of the decade.
That is indeed correct.


By the 2020 census with regard to MSAs, only Dallas/Fort Worth and Houston will register growth exceeding 1 million people for the decade (both should top 1.3 million people) with Dallas/Fort Worth holding the slight edge over Houston.


By the 2020 census with regard to CSAs, Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, Houston, and Los Angeles will be the only ones to grow by over 1 million for the entire decade. With Dallas/Fort Worth and Houston topping out over 1.3 million people for the 2010s decade and Greater Los Angeles CSA topping 1.1 million people for the 2010s decade.


For anywhere else to have a chance at it, as both MSAs and CSAs, they currently have to be over 650,000 people so far for this decade (because remember most of this decade is now over, 6 years and 3 months are in the rearview mirror now). Places would have to post colossal accelerations in population growth to get to 1 million for the decade, which I think is highly unlikely. By MSA we will only have 2 places over 1 million for the decade and by CSA there will be 3 places. That's basically this decade of population growth in America's population centers in a snapshot.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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That is indeed correct.


By the 2020 census with regard to MSAs, only Dallas/Fort Worth and Houston will register growth exceeding 1 million people for the decade (both should top 1.3 million people) with Dallas/Fort Worth holding the slight edge over Houston.


By the 2020 census with regard to CSAs, Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, Houston, and Los Angeles will be the only ones to grow by over 1 million for the entire decade. With Dallas/Fort Worth and Houston topping out over 1.3 million people for the 2010s decade and Greater Los Angeles CSA topping 1.1 million people for the 2010s decade.
Let's hope these metros continue investing in transit. Can't imagine the explosion in traffic as population increases in already large/sprawling metros.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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Portland's doing okay. It's not much of an international draw. It also has a high percentage of senior citizens and a large gay population, neither which are conducive to a high rate of natural increase.
Oh it is doing better than just okay. It's MSA is over + 45,000 last year and its CSA is over + 50,000 last year.


By all accounts, when you factor the size of the Portland MSA and CSA, those numbers indicate a boomtown. It is impressive, one of the most impressive outside of TX, FL, and CA as the three states combine to comprise of 47.6% of the entire United States' population growth every year of this decade. Meaning the other 47 states combine for the other half of America's population growth.


Portland is doing well for itself, presumably the boom comprises more than just population growth and is benefitting in other ways (e.g. foreign investment, marketing, economics, airport service expansion, new stores and/or brands entering the market, increasing cosmopolitanism, so on and so forth). I'm sure it is. I look at a lot of city statistics, all the time, and typically after seeing them just once have them memorized for the long-term and Portland is doing well across its broad portfolio.


Only concern is the runaway housing prices, which will put pressure on the region in terms of constricted supply and exorbitant bidding costs. Find a way to effectively deal with that and you'd be alright.


What is crazy though is how half of all of America's new population is in just 3 states; California + Texas + Florida (over 47% of all of America's population gains in the last year, 49% last year). America has 50 baskets, half of all the eggs are being put in only 3 of them though.
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Old 03-29-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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What is crazy though is how half of all of America's new population is in just 3 states; California + Texas + Florida (over 47% of all of America's population gains in the last year, 49% last year). America has 50 baskets, half of all the eggs are being put in only 3 of them though.
California has boomed 20th century to today. No amazement here as all would guess. Florida totally and much of California were the quintessential sunbelt states for all our lifetimes too.

Though Texas was a late starter here. It has boomed especially these last 3-decades. Long enough to be everyone's guess too. All three.

Though Texas I wouldn't call the sunbelt in total? The definition is much broader today to include the whole southeast US though the Southwest and California. Many might add coastal Oregon and Washington? Though not known for sunshine. They are seen for cities like Portland and Seattle. To be non-wintery locations and being in boom stages in the likes of being among the top inbound US cities. A inclusion into being sunbelt cities of sorts in general criteria.

Virtually any region NOT the Northeast, Midwest/ Great Plains or Mountain state. Are getting lumped into this mild to no real winters 1/3 of the US as the Sunbelt.

It's a similar migration but a FULL reverse of the earlier migrations after ww2 to the Northeast//Midwest main cities.

That was probably the vast majority of the in-bound migration then to the North. Really no surprises to see where most of the growth is. Its ongoing IN FULL a couple decades to these 3.

Could reverse in a couple decades again? Climate-change could affect areas By then? In the US. We have learned to expect the unexpected. Especially Economically.

Its a Big country that can easily have such migrations and shifts in population. Europe being many much smaller Nations on a continent. See far less migrations between its Nations. Was a day over centuries. A great migration left Europe for North America especially. That did not reverse. Just stopped.
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Old 03-29-2017, 11:24 PM
 
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Houston and Dallas switch spots all the time, so it's not guaranteed that Dallas will top Houston. Dallas was growing faster than Houston, numerically, during the beginning of the decade.
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