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Old 03-02-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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People who rate Boston highly have probably only ever been here as a tourist and used it to go from their hotel at Park Street either to Fenway Park or to Harvard and back on a summer weekend or something. Try living here and being dependent on it.

You're better off walking.
I don't think the rankings are so much about how great the mass transit system of Boston is so much as it is how underwhelming the vast majority of mass transit systems in US cities are.
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Old 03-02-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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1. Chicago
2. Washington DC

Gap

3. SF
4. Philadelphia
5. Boston

Gap

6. LA

Gap

7. Atlanta
8.Baltimore
9. Cleveland

If you added light rail Dallas would fall somewhere above Cleveland, probably above Atlanta for shear size.


Boston is a great walking city, but the Trains are really not that great. Luckily the city is small geographically. San Francisco while better than Boston is only so so. Philadelphia has great coverage, arguably better than Boston.
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Old 03-02-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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A significant (and soon to be growing) portion of Seattle's light rail system is in a subway. All the way from South of Downtown, through downtown, Capitol Hill, UW, U District, Roosevelt and emerging up in Northgate. There is also a second yet-to-be built tunnel that will also go through downtown and tunnel up through South Lake Union and Queen Anne, before emerging and traveling completely elevated (grade-separated) to Ballard. Overall, the vast majority of the existing and to-be-built Seattle rail network is underground or completely grade-separated. Even though the technology is light rail the form more typically resembles a metro-style heavy rail, and the stations are built out like a heavy rail system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDe_xEcbtVM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oXJKH6fpZs


I'm not sure why that wouldn't be considered a subway.

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Old 03-02-2017, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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1. Chicago
2. Washington DC

Gap

3. SF
4. Philadelphia
5. Boston

Gap

6. LA

Gap

7. Atlanta
8.Baltimore
9. Cleveland

If you added light rail Dallas would fall somewhere above Cleveland, probably above Atlanta for shear size.


Boston is a great walking city, but the Trains are really not that great. Luckily the city is small geographically. San Francisco while better than Boston is only so so. Philadelphia has great coverage, arguably better than Boston.
I'd put Cleveland at 6 to be honest. Have you actually used it?
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Old 03-02-2017, 03:45 PM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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I'd put Cleveland at 6 to be honest. Have you actually used it?
I Honestly have not. I have also not used the LA one, but by looking at the two maps LA seems like a much larger system, then again it it is a much larger city.

Have you used them both? How do they compare?
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Downtown & Brooklyn!
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I'm assuming OP means heavy rail rapid transit and not underground buses, commuter rail, or light rail.

It's between Chicago and DC for #1 and #2

3. Boston (probably has next best coverage)
4. Philly (big plus for 24 hour lines)
5. San Francisco (coverage in the city is poor but has decent access to outside areas)
6. Atlanta
7. LA
8. Cleveland
9. Baltimore (it's just one line)


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I don't think the rankings are so much about how great the mass transit system of Boston is so much as it is how underwhelming the vast majority of mass transit systems in US cities are.
This is exactly it. The standards are set extremely low.
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Old 03-02-2017, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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I'm assuming OP means heavy rail rapid transit and not underground buses, commuter rail, or light rail.

It's between Chicago and DC for #1 and #2

3. Boston (probably has next best coverage)
4. Philly (big plus for 24 hour lines)
5. San Francisco (coverage in the city is poor but has decent access to outside areas)
6. Atlanta
7. LA
8. Cleveland
9. Baltimore (it's just one line.)
LA does not belong below Atlanta.
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Old 03-02-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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I'm assuming OP means heavy rail rapid transit and not underground buses, commuter rail, or light rail.
But why make that distinction based on the technology? In Seattle you will have a system that when built out will have 112 miles that will be almost entirely grade-separated - either underground or elevated - and has large stations that resemble metro stations more than a typical light rail stop. It already has significantly higher ridership than Cleveland or Baltimore currently and when built out is anticipated to carry over 600k riders a day. 4 car trains running every 3-5 minutes have the type of capacity that is closer to matching heavy rail than typical light rail. Take a look at the videos and tell me those don't seem like a subway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDe_xEcbtVM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oXJKH6fpZs

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Old 03-02-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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I'm assuming OP means heavy rail rapid transit and not underground buses, commuter rail, or light rail.
You assumed right.
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Old 03-02-2017, 05:59 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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LA does not belong below Atlanta.
Since the OP clarified they are just referring to Heavy Rail it kind of does. Most of LA's Metro rail system is light rail.
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