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I voted LA (USC,UCLA,Cal Poly); NY (Columbia, Rutgers, Seton Hall); Bay Area (Cal, Stanford); Baltimore-Washington (John's Hopkins, Georgetown); and of course Boston (MIT, Harvard). Also put a vote in for Chicago (Northwestern) as honorable mention.
No U Chicago (a top three university in the U.S.) for Chicago, or UPenn for Philly?
No it isn't!! While Princeton is about 50 miles from Midtown Manhattan, it's only 25 miles from the Staten Island border. Therefore, it's a NY suburb, just like Edison, New Brunswick and other NJ cities. Besides, NY has much more pull than Philadelphia does!!
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No it isn't!! While Princeton is about 50 miles from Midtown Manhattan, it's only 25 miles from the Staten Island border. Therefore, it's a NY suburb, just like Edison, New Brunswick and other NJ cities. Besides, NY has much more pull than Philadelphia does!!
Where are you getting your distance information from? Via automobile, the shortest distance I've gotten for Staten Island is 28 miles, while Princeton is 26 miles to Northeast Philadelphia.
Regardless, Princeton is not a suburb of NYC, nor is it one of Philadelphia's. It's in its own stand-alone metro (Mercer County) that used to belong to Philadelphia's, and is now a part of NYC's CSA. If anything, it's an exurb of both regions. As many other posters and I from the area have pointed out, there are cultural allegiances and affiliations to both metros. And on a technicality, New York and Philadelphia already meet the requirements for one big CSA, due to Mercer County. Diplomatically, the Census has decided to keep all three metros separate, but this shows you how this isn't something so clear-cut that you can say Princeton is a New York suburb.
Where are you getting your distance information from? Via automobile, the shortest distance I've gotten for Staten Island is 28 miles, while Princeton is 26 miles to Northeast Philadelphia.
Regardless, Princeton is not a suburb of NYC, nor is it one of Philadelphia's. It's in its own stand-alone metro (Mercer County) that used to belong to Philadelphia's, and is now a part of NYC's CSA. If anything, it's an exurb of both regions. As many other posters and I from the area have pointed out, there are cultural allegiances and affiliations to both metros. And on a technicality, New York and Philadelphia already meet the requirements for one big CSA, due to Mercer County. Diplomatically, the Census has decided to keep all three metros separate, but this shows you how this isn't something so clear-cut that you can say Princeton is a New York suburb.
So let me get this straight, are you nitpicking over 3 miles? Seriously?😱 Let's just agree that Princeton is about equidistant from Staten Island and NE Philly. Now I'm not going to get into the whole CSA/MSA thing because that has been worn out in this thread. And besides, they are subjective (especially MSAs) because they are very political. But let's use a little common sense, which is sometimes lacking here on c-data. Any city that lies within 25 miles of the NY city border is, wait for it, a NY SUBURB, pure and simple!! I don't care about allegiances and affiliations, who roots for who, none of that nonsense. And remember, as great of a city as Philadelphia is, it is almost an afterthought when compared to NY. And if Philly was 25 miles closer, it would be a NY suburb😹!!!
I think one of the reasons Mercer county is now in the NYC CSA and not Philly's is the downsized presence of Johnson and Johnson, and the exburbs around Hamilton growing and becoming a popular place to take NJT into the city from. Philadelphia still benefits from philanthropic efforts from Princeton such as the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation funding the Food Trust. I grew up in Bucks and dated a girl from Princeton, I know how close it is. However, it's probably pretty lobsided in terms of how many Princeton grads go to work in NYC compared to Philadelphia. Probably holds true for Penn too. Nature of the beast. I personally would say Leigh and the Leigh Valley in general more align with Philly than NYC even though 78 is a major pipeline into and out of NYC.
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So let me get this straight, are you nitpicking over 3 miles? Seriously?😱 Let's just agree that Princeton is about equidistant from Staten Island and NE Philly. Now I'm not going to get into the whole CSA/MSA thing because that has been worn out in this thread. And besides, they are subjective (especially MSAs) because they are very political. But let's use a little common sense, which is sometimes lacking here on c-data. Any city that lies within 25 miles of the NY city border is, wait for it, a NY SUBURB, pure and simple!! I don't care about allegiances and affiliations, who roots for who, none of that nonsense. And remember, as great of a city as Philadelphia is, it is almost an afterthought when compared to NY. And if Philly was 25 miles closer, it would be a NY suburb😹!!!
Your ignorance is showing here, which just killed any argument you might have had. In the real world, yes, these things matter, especially on such a grey area. Mercer County is literally covered by both the Philly and NYC metros in weather reports and TV/radio broadcasts (though officially still part of the Philadelphia Designated Media Market).
And it's not nitpicking. You're the one who brought distance into the equation--all I did was show you that Philadelphia is slightly closer. That's a fact, which is something that cannot be denied. If being 25 miles from a city's borders are your only criteria for being a suburb, I shudder at what you think of Baltimore, of Fort Worth, of St Paul, etc. There's an important distinction between suburbs, exurbs, satellite cities and principal cities. Calling anything a suburb within 25 miles of a city's limits, whether it's New York or Philadelphia or Timbuktu, is broadcasting your ignorance. Many people also view Staten Island, itself officially a part of New York City, as a suburb. So your big argument hinges on being 25 miles from the most suburban area of the most suburban part of a city? You need to understand nuance.
No it isn't!! While Princeton is about 50 miles from Midtown Manhattan, it's only 25 miles from the Staten Island border. Therefore, it's a NY suburb, just like Edison, New Brunswick and other NJ cities. Besides, NY has much more pull than Philadelphia does!!
Ever heard of Northeast Philadelphia?
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