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View Poll Results: Austin vs Kansas City
Austin 177 54.13%
Kansas City 150 45.87%
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:14 AM
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I agree that this thread has turned into an absurd pissing match. I like Kansas City whenever I visit and have no interest in disparaging it, though the ignorance and misinformation about Austin on this thread prompts me to write in again.

1. Nightlife - Austin is way more than the strip of 6th street known to locals as Dirty 6th. 78701 - the zip code of downtown Austin has the highest number of liquor licenses of any zip code in the ENTIRE U.S. I would guess that less than 10% of them are on that strip of 6th street. Downtown Austin is not huge, and is entirely walkable and mostly very safe except for that strip of dirty sixth, which is a crazy bacchanal every weekend night, when the street and adjacent blocks are closed to traffic and hordes of mounted police do not always manage to keep order. It is worth seeing once a year or so.

http://austinot.com/wp-content/uploa...ted-Austin.jpg



There are other nightlife districts in downtown Austin - the warehouse district, south and west of 6th street skews older and yuppy - many roof top bars, live music venues. 4th street is the gay epicenter of Austin. 2nd street, anchored by the Austin City Limits Music all is full of people of all ages every night of the week and 6th west of Congress is cougar land. Then there is Rainey Street, about a half mile walk southeast, a collection of old houses turned into bars and restaurants and currently being invaded by high-rise condos. It hops every night.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/atmtx/...n/photostream/
https://www.theaustinstore.com/v/Ima...ney-Street.jpg

The neighborhoods immediately south of the river/lake about a mile from downtown have very lively nightlife districts particularly along South Congress, which used to be the hipster district of Austin after it was the hooker district and now offers a collection of live music venues, art galleries, vintage stores etc. It is a little too cool for school for me, but it is a far cry from dirty sixth. Less than a mile west on South Lamar is where a lot of the action currently is, with a bunch of old car dealerships, gas stations and warehouses converted into coffeeshops and nightclubs - also home to a few old time Texas honkytonks: a weird mix of bubbaland and yuppies.

http://www.videocityguide.com/austin...opping/g10.jpg
https://a2.muscache.com/locations/up...mar_040_NM.jpg



Immediately east of downtown, in historically Black and Mexican neighborhoods, there is a good mix of very racially diverse nightlife, though the hipsters are starting to dominate, but some old blues clubs remain, though the large amount of new construction makes me wonder for how long. Central East Austin is full of theaters, nightclubs, bars and is in many ways what Williamsburg would be if Manhattan were not on the other side of the river.

https://southernspaces.org/sites/def...dbakery-lg.jpg
https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...st-village.jpg

Just north of downtown is the University of Texas at Austin campus and just north and west of that is an area known as West Campus, where the 35 000 or so undergrads hang out. It is a combination of old Victorian houses and new private dormitories, frat houses etc. It is the only nightlife district that really caters to students. It is pretty great, but the only place in Austin where I feel a college town vibe.

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data...he_drag_15.jpg

There are many other smaller strips of nightlife along the serial roads heading into north Austin, particularly along North Burnet road, but these are mostly auto centric neighborhood places.

So the idea that Austin nightlife is only 6th street and caters only to college students is total BS. In my experience, and while I get around, I have not been everywhere, Austin has the best nightlife of any sub 2.5 million metro not called New Orleans, or Las Vegas and much more varied and concentrated nightlife than many much larger metros. Kansas City has a good music scene but not on the scale of Austin and walking around its downtown at night, parts felt deserted and frankly kinda sketchy.
Austin has some nice nightlife, from my personal experience. But the things I have against Austin's nightlife is that it's not exactly diverse, there's not many other nightlife districts, and nightlife amongst the metro area isn't that extensive.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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Even less than mediocre you mean. You listed a bunch of art galleries!
I posted real museums and institutions in KC.
You didn't read or research KC's museums - the difference is night and day. People from Austin simply don't understand cities and can't get it through their head that Austin is a college town and capital that is growing quickly. You're not a real city yet. You're built environment, history, culture and institutions are bush league with an overgrown corporate campus skyline. Maybe you'll grow into a real city but that will take 20 - 30 years to acquire what KC offers.

This was Kansas City in 1930.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...psntv3jyul.jpg

This was Austin in 1930.
http://library.austintexas.gov/sites...les/c00616.jpg
KC looks exactly the same..
Austin is gleaming with beautiful glass towers!!
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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1 SXSW Offices
SXSW, the ever-expanding set of festivals and conference known round the world, recently purchased the building at 1400 Lavaca Street, mere steps from the state Capitol, with plans to transform the 12-story office tower into a multifeatured space that will include its offices, designed by Gensler, on the top three floors. Other floors will be leased to other businesses and will included public space, as well as retail and restaurants.


1400 Lavaca St
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2 Brackenridge redevelopment
Repurposing of the former University Medical Center Brackenridge site, adjacent to the new Dell Medical School campus, could result in up to 3.7 million square feet of new development that would include buildings 35 to 40 stories tall. Recent City Council movement on adding Capitol View Corridors, however, could affect some of those heights.


Red River St & E 15th St
Austin, TX 78701
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3 Homewood Suites at East Avenue
Another design by Rhode Partners, Cambria is part of the Choice Hotels chain and is focused on the “limited luxury” hotel trend. The Rainey neighborhood project is estimated to be be 12 to 15 stories high when completed.


68 East Ave
Austin, TX 78701
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4 Shoal Creek Walk
Another planned office tower (trend?), the 15-story Shoal Creek Walk office tower is projected to cost more than $5 million and will have 218,432 rentable square feet of office space for lease when completed. Nelsen Partners is the architect for the project, which is being constructed by Austin Commercial.


835 W 6th St
Austin, TX
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5 Fifth & West
Developed by Austin's Riverside Resources, the 448-foot-tall tower was designed by Dallas-based GDA Architects, with interiors by local firm Michael Hsu Office of Architecture. It’s bucking trends a little in that it has only residential units—no first-floor restaurants or retail. Units ranging from $447,500 to $5 million are still available.


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601 West Ave
Austin, TX 78701
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6 The Avenue
This 30-story building will not have any parking units. That’s all you really need to know about it. However, we’ll also tell you that it will have 135 luxury apartments, an office space, a restaurant, and a bar.


Nelsen Partners
Congress Ave & E 8th St
Austin, TX 78701
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7 The Independent
The future Austin skyscraper commonly referred to as "The Jenga Tower" because of its structure isn't scheduled to open until 2018. Construction of the 58-story, game-changing condominium tower is continuing apace. Its 72 one-bedroom units are already sold out, and current pricing for remaining units ranges from $638,000 to more than $4 million.


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301 West St
Austin, TX 78701
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8 Rise on 8th
A 22-story, 200-unit luxury apartment building designed by local architectural firm Rhode: Partners, which is also to be credited for the Independent, was recently sold by local developer Aspen Heights. Early in the process, Aspen Heights had engaged ZRS Management to market and lease the property, but it soon became apparent that, despite the fact that it had focused on student properties until this point, Aspen would be positioning Rise as a multifamily structure.


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805 Nueces St
Austin, TX 78701
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9 Austin Proper Hotel & Residences
Just around the corner from the "Jenga" tower, Austin Proper will feature 244 hotel rooms and 99 condos, the latter ranging from 800 square feet to 6,000-square-foot penthouses.


202 Nueces St
Austin, TX 78701
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10 500 West Second Street
Another element of the former city Green Water Treatment Plant site redevelopment, which when completed will comprise more than 1.7 million square feet of mixed-use commercial development, this building is planned primarily for office space.


500 W 2nd St
Austin, TX 78701
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11 The Bowie
The Bowie is not that new (completed in 2014), but the 36-story apartment complex continues to stand out in the skyline. Leases for the building's 359 units units range in price from $1,822 to more than $5,296.


311 Bowie St
Austin, TX 78703
(512) 474-2579
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12 Republic Square-Hotel Zaza
The hotel and residential development at 401 Guadalupe had already been beset by delays when the site began filling with a slow but steady stream of water shortly after construction workers broke ground this summer. Things seem to be back on track now for the 24-story development project, which includes both residential and hospitality elements. Gables Residential will be have 215 units, while Hotel Zaza will offer 160 hotel rooms. Estimated completion date is now 2019.


401 Guadalupe St
Austin, TX 78701
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13 Millennium Rainey Street Apartments
At eight stories, the Millennium Rainey doesn’t really qualify as a high-rise, but hot anticipation is counting for several levels here. Designed by Ziegler Cooper Architects, according and built by The Dinerstein Companies of Houston, the building has 326 apartments ranging from 522 to 1,436 square feet in size.


91 Rainey Street
Austin, TX
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14 405 Colorado
Okay, whoa, another planned office tower, but this one with an interesting design by Duda/Paine Architects, who also designed Austin’s now-iconic Frost Bank Tower. Right now, it’s planned to include 210,000 square feet of office space, 530 parking spaces, and 3,000 square feet of ground-floor retail.


405 Colorado St
Austin, TX 78701
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15 Aloft and Element Hotels
We can’t even begin to parse the subtleties of ownership(s) related to this “dual-branded” hotel development. The building(s) are slated to have 32 floors and include a restaurant and bar with outdoor, street-level dining on Congress Avenue, along with a 24-hour fitness center and nearly 2,500 square feet of flexible meeting space.


White Lodging
Congress Ave and E 7th St.
Austin, TX 78701
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16 Northshore
Apartments and condos on Lady Bird Lake, the Northshore is yet another element of the redevelopment of the city’s Green Water Treatment Plan. A 439-unit apartment building scheduled to open soon, it will also have 23,500 square feet of office space, 14,900 square feet for restaurant space, and 13,900 square feet of retail.


110 San Antonio St
Austin, TX 78702USA
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17 Fairmont Austin
The Fairmont is the Austin Convention Center hotel and has been one of the city’s most recently controversial projects. The 37-story luxury hotel has already topped out at 595 feet high and have 1,048 guest rooms.


101 Red River St
Austin, TX 78701
(512) 580-0190
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18 70 Rainey
The 34-story residential building in the popular Rainey Street entertainment district will be 100 feet or more higher than surrounding buildings and will offer unobstructed views of downtown and beyond, along with 164 residences, a restaurant, and a second-floor patio bar. Residence prices will range from $500,000 to $4,000,000. It’s scheduled to be completed in early 2018.


78 Rainey St
Austin, TX 78701
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19 99 Trinity Tower
The 38-story, 350-unit apartment development by World Class Capital Group currently in preconstruction and is scheduled for completion in 2017.


99 Trinity St
Austin, TX 78701
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20 Waller Park Place
The so-far only-proposed Waller Park Place would be the largest private development in downtown Austin if realized. The three-acre site is bounded by Waller Creek to the west, Red River Street to the east, Cesar Chavez Street to the north, and the Villas on Town Lake condos to the south. As envisioned, the 1.4-million-square-foot-project would include three towers, with 300,000 square feet of office space, a 150-room hotel, 498 residential units, and 60,000 square feet of retail. Sutton Company would develop the project, while IBI Group has been tapped for design.


Red River St & E Cesar Chavez St
Austin, TX 78701
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21 New Main Library
Designed by renowned regional architecture firm Lake/Flato, along with national design firm Shepley Bullfinch, the 198,000-square-foot building is meant to be a significant public space, and ambitious plans for it include a six-story, sunlight-filled atrium, surrounded by collections, event space, reading porches overlooking the lake and Shoal Creek, and a cookbook-themed coffee shop, along with a number of sustainability-oriented features. All that significance has caused numerous delays in its completion, most recently in March, with no specific projected date yet cited.


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Austin, TX 78701
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22 48 East
The 48 East project in Rainey has been in the works for a while and has seen some design and use changes in the planning. It is currently planned as a 350-foot, 33-floor, all-residential tower with 246 apartments and some interesting design elements courtesy of architectural firm STG Design.


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Austin, TX 78701
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23 Block 87/'Episcopal Archives'
The 1.75-acre, currently the parking lot at Seventh and Trinity Streets, just uphill from Dirty Sixth, has been slated for development for a while. According to real estate blog Towers, however, we now know more specifics. While exact plans are far from set, it looks like the property, owned by downtown's historic St. David's Episcopal Church, will be developed by Cielo Property Group. While As seen in the rendering below, much of the site is capped at 75 feet due to comply Capitol View Corridor restrictions, a corner of the lot is not, and as a result, could rise significantly higher. Plans are still in formative stages, but a mix of residential, office, restaurant, and hotels uses—as well as a fairly large supermarket—are currently being considered.


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24 East 11th and Sabine Street
Plans on file for a space that is currently a Texas Trucking Association site are for a 30-story, multifamily tower with 270 residential units, 11,600 square feet of office space, and a parking garage. Any tower of substantial height will be affected by Capital View Corridors regulations.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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Even less than mediocre you mean. You listed a bunch of art galleries!
I posted real museums and institutions in KC.
You didn't read or research KC's museums - the difference is night and day. People from Austin simply don't understand cities and can't get it through their head that Austin is a college town and capital that is growing quickly. You're not a real city yet. You're built environment, history, culture and institutions are bush league with an overgrown corporate campus skyline. Maybe you'll grow into a real city but that will take 20 - 30 years to acquire what KC offers.

This was Kansas City in 1930.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...psntv3jyul.jpg

This was Austin in 1930.
http://library.austintexas.gov/sites...les/c00616.jpg
Oh boy
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: The Dirty South.
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Oh boy
I laughed hard at that post.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Center City
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Only on CD would people chose KC over Austin. Austin is the capital of the second largest state and is growing rapidly. KC is struggling to stay relevant.
Probably the best illustration of what an Austin bubble looks like.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Midwest USA
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KC looks exactly the same..
Austin is gleaming with beautiful glass towers!!
Austinites equate beautiful historic brick architecture with the 1950's
Downtown KC is infinitely denser and has 3X more office space then Austinville.

http://www.colliers.com/-/media/file...t.pdf?la=en-US

Does this look like 1950's to you?
https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b3&oe=59E0A049

Downtown Residents: KC 24,0000, 33,000 within five years.
(KC may not have a dozen towers going up, but it has a LOT of DENSE infill U/C).
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...e84819842.html

Downtown Residents: Austin 12,000
https://austintexas.gov/faq/how-many...-live-downtown

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Old 06-08-2017, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-Houston-DFW
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Kansas City is growing and has been for a while at this point. It's just not growing at as fast a rate as Austin, but it's also starting from a larger base. I don't see how Kansas City qualifies as a dying city.
Austin kills KC in raw numbers too, for both foreign and domestic migration. Now birth rate may be interesting to watch in the future as Austin gets more of those liberal/hipster no kids types. Wont be as big of an effect like what you see in SF, NYC, Seattle, etc., though.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Kansas City is growing and has been for a while at this point. It's just not growing at as fast a rate as Austin, but it's also starting from a larger base. I don't see how Kansas City qualifies as a dying city.
Yeah domestic population really spiked last year for KC. Still only about 1/3 of Austin's but it was literally 8x more people moving in than in 2014-2015. The metro has had strong job growth so we will see if it is sustained or just a blip.

At any rate, I don't get the vitriol here against KC and Austin. KC is doing well for a Midwest city, and Austin is doing very well right now. KC's growth is nothing like Austin's growth but it is more established, though not as established as it could and should be. So what if ten more people on CD like KC over Austin? It's not a referendum on either city. They both have their pros and cons but both have apparently bright futures, even though they are on different paths. No need to get nasty, this is not a zero sum game. They're both great cities.

https://kceconomy.org/2017/03/24/kcs...trong-economy/

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Old 06-08-2017, 11:36 PM
 
Location: ATX
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Yeah domestic population really spiked last year for KC. Still only about 1/3 of Austin's but it was literally 8x more people moving in than out in 2014-2015. The metro has had strong job growth so we will see if it is sustained or just a blip.

At any rate, I don't get the vitriol here against KC and Austin. KC is doing well for a Midwest city, nothing like Austin's growth but it is more established though not as established as it could and should be. So what if ten more people on CD like KC over Austin? It's not a referendum on either city. They both have their pros and cons but both have apparently bright futures, even though they are on different paths. No need to get nasty, this is not a zero sum game. They're both great cities.

https://kceconomy.org/2017/03/24/kcs...trong-economy/
Agreed, I don't get the hate either.
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