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"Core Philadelphia" is over 7 square miles... maybe 10.
Like I said, Philadelphia's Downtown and Core is larger than San Francisco in square mileage, San Francisco just feels larger because it's more built up. If Philadelphia continues on this trajectory it's currently on, it definitely has the potential to feel larger than San Francisco.
i was up by the University. Park Hyatt. Thats suburb territory in Philly.
The area north of the DT core is less 'urban' if you will than east and west of it. I wouldn't exactly categorize the area around the Park hyatt as suburban. I think you are talking about the Park Hyatt on Avenue road? That is actually in Yorkville and actually in the video below. You consider this area suburban?
In any event if you didn't go to the nabe's far east and west of the core in Old Toronto you didn't experience the urban heart of the city you experienced the DT core.
Your pics are nice btw but I don't see them as really being more urban than Old Toronto. I think you just didn't really see the city and you are familiar with yours and not Old Toronto.
The knock against San Francisco when compared to Philadelphia and Boston is that its public transportation is noticeably weaker (which is why Uber was created), its walkability suffers due to geography (aka those hills) and its urban core is condensed. So while it has a higher density in the immediate core, along with better vibrancy and shopping, it drops off outside of that. Philadelphia, even with its blight, maintains its urbanity over a much larger area, as does Boston with its surrounding municipalities. An argument can be made for all three, though I find them to be in the same tier, below Chicago and Toronto, and arguably above DC.
That's just false - if we're talking about city proper than SF is more consistently urban and dense than Boston or Philly.
Anything with a front yard and driveways is suburban to me I saw a ton of that where I was at in Toronto.
We dont do driveways or front yards in Philadelphia. Truth be told in alot of spots we dont even do driveable streets. We just have different views of what constitutes urban.
Anything with a front yard and driveways is suburban to me I saw a ton of that where I was at in Toronto.
We dont do driveways or front yards in Philadelphia. Truth be told in alot of spots we dont even do driveable streets. We just have different views of what constitutes urban.
Old Toronto's residential streets are just different bones. They are more leafy green and are set back more from the street than by the looks of Philadelphia. That said, most don't have driveways and just a small front yard. People park on the street. Make no mistake however that they are actually quite densely packed. Also the residential streets are never far from a more dense and very urban major arterial like Bloor, Ossington, Danforth, Roncesvalles, College, King Street West, Queen Street west etc. The urban form of Philly is just different but I wouldn't say more urban simply because the residential streets have more walk up 2 or 3 story rowhouse type development. In some cases it looks like these residential areas are quite far from major urban arterials. Old Toronto's residential housing is never far from major arterials with lots of restaurants and shops for example.
Your first video above. If I was not told what city it was? Asked to guess? I would have guessed Philly. Where it passes as Old Philly is:
- architecture of low-rise Row-buildings including architectural features like the rooftop
- trolley-line in the street
- power-lines visible and poles
- though a main street most likely it is as Philly with buildings to the sidewalks
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Judging by a lot of comments in here people don't understand Old Toronto. Yes the residential streets are actually very green and not in your face two or three story contiguous walk up stuff you see in Philly. The houses are mainly Victorian and Georgian also Annex style housing. Toronto can be very deceptive in that you can be walking on a quiet residential street and than suddenly hit a major and bustling urban arterial packed with people, shops, resto's, bars and nightclubs
I delete my post as better I don't get involved. You know in population in that 800,000 area you utilized. There is no need to ask Philly's. I addressed the video's alone. The first could clearly be Philly and second too in old Victorian parts with larger lots in West Philly University City nabs.
I don't claims to know Old Toronto to compare more. But again, the first video of Old Toronto. Fits far more like to Old Philly then Old Chicago. Row-buildings, architecture and trolley-lines. Philly locals can debate further details if they want. I cannot and shouldn't.
There is a local firehouse bar calling me right now.....
I delete my post as better I don't get involved. You know in population in that 800,000 area you utilized. There is no need to ask Philly's. I addressed the video's alone. The first could clearly be Philly and second too in old Victorian parts with larger lots in West Philly University City nabs.
I don't claims to know Old Toronto to compare more. But again, the first video of Old Toronto. Fits far more like to Old Philly then Old Chicago. Row-buildings, architecture and trolley-lines. Philly locals can debate further details if they want. I cannot and shouldn't.
There is a local firehouse bar calling me right now.....
Old Toronto is pretty hard to pin down. Once you think you have it figured out it'll throw you a nabe or urban setting that will flip your assumptions on its head. I just find it amusing that people just think Toronto is a bunch of skyscrapers and glass condo's lol.. Whatever - enjoy your local firehouse bar and enjoy a great craft
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