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^ It's ridiculous how little you actually know about Chicago. We're talking about core right?Boston nightlife ahead of Chicago? ROFL. Behind Boston in Shopping? Christ...even the jobs thing - Chicago has the biggest downtown area employment wise of anywhere outside of NYC. Chicago last in walkability? You have got to be kidding me.
^ It's ridiculous how little you actually know about Chicago. We're talking about core right?Boston nightlife ahead of Chicago? ROFL. Behind Boston in Shopping? Christ...even the jobs thing - Chicago has the biggest downtown area employment wise of anywhere outside of NYC. Chicago last in walkability? You have got to be kidding me.
Vibrancy - SF, Boston, Toronto, DC, Philly, Chicago
Shopping - SF, Boston (more/better malls), DC, Chicago, Philly (all of these five are very close), Toronto (behind because it’s in Canada - most Canadians just ship many of their things to American friends/family)
Number of residents - Chicago, DC, SF, Boston, Philly, Toronto
Number of jobs - SF, Toronto, Boston, DC, Philly, Chicago
Amentities and attractions - SF, Chicago, DC, Toronto, Boston, Philly
Walkability - SF, Boston, Philly, Toronto, DC, Chicago
Public transportation - Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC, Toronto, SF
Nightlife - SF, Toronto, Philly, Boston, DC, Chicago
Feel free to add anything additional
Suburbs (they are all nice, though):
Philly
Boston
DC
SF
Toronto
Chicago
Future Prosperity:
Toronto
SF
Boston
DC
Philly
Chicago
Lol...I'll just assume you're very young, and haven't traveled much.
^ It's ridiculous how little you actually know about Chicago. We're talking about core right?Boston nightlife ahead of Chicago? ROFL. Behind Boston in Shopping? Christ...even the jobs thing - Chicago has the biggest downtown area employment wise of anywhere outside of NYC. Chicago last in walkability? You have got to be kidding me.
They're incorrect on shopping and nightlife, for sure. Chicagos untouchable on this list, with Toronto as second respectively.
But jobs/economy and walkability can definitely be debated. Chicagos CORE is in fact very walkable, but some of the neighborhoods certainly aren't. They're like suburbs. But for the sake of this conversation since we're talking cores, I definitely wouldnt put Chicago last. Jobs/Economy? Eehhh if it's not last, it's certainly flirting with Philadelphia for the spot. Not a knock on Chi/Philadelphia, but it's up against a few of the strongest economies in NA right now. Jobs p/capita, p/capita GDP, income levels, booming industries, drawing talent, public sector jobs, etc.
^ Are we talking about core as in downtown type of area core or are we talking about basically an entire city? Because if you are going to talk about core as a downtown type of area, then I'm sorry but Chicago is not nearer to the end on that at all.
Ya know I think ..... Totontonians (or those who boast for it). Seem to be super-obsessed with boasting Bigger, More and Better in always using Chicago as its city to dig into .... even if it isn't vs Chicago in tat thread. Of course, here it is. But still you name it .... they will interject Toronto has a Bigger Core, more people, more dense, more urban, more ...... Keeps sounding like a obsession to boast it is superior ....
I hink I should pot in this below thread..... Toronto obsessed with Chicago ..... but as the thread says but the other city doesn't care whatsoever. I know Chicagoans really don't.
Urban CORES is subjective in area covered and size. Toronto can do a 7+sq/miles area and insist its their Core and downtown. The SIZE thing. Well other cities can also. Seems urban Core includes neighborhoods where most work in the main business district. That clearly can gain Chicago its highest density neighborhoods as its Urban Core also. Part of Toronto's is Old Toronto areas of row-homes also.... seems they forget that .....
Chicago has the office space to it can boast with a high live-in population it built from little. The city's web sight list its CBD border (Central Business District that is minimum its Downtown. But a Core extends further. Its high-rise living of its Gold Coast isn't included in its CBC by the city. Its clearly though.... part of its continuous -- Urban Core and more.
Still problem is there still is no standard borders for Urban Core.... so boasting more clearly is subjective and perhaps using merely the same sq/miles size? Can comparisons then in population be use.
Streetcars they boast of uniqueness? Even Philly has them. They like to use it as adds grit.... well the overhead wires are messy. Another is cleanliness .... especially here using Urban Cores. NO ONE claims Chicago's core is not super clean. Sorry Toronto .... there is no superiority in that one. .
Torontonian's and from other areas of Canada.... are looking to be more seen as a NYC likeness in Canada's main city and in high-rise living (they just know they are not even close yet to its density. So they use Chicago most. Toronto even zones for only high-rises that only can be built.... but yes then it can boast building many new high-rises and its super-high professional immigrants that grow the city. It even built a mock Times Square.... so really it should just compare itself to NYC over a obsession to claim beating Chicago as its main Boast on C-D at least. In all things it clearly does not.
Then you even have them boast a Constant Urban form over Chicago again. That gap has closed considerably. Areas Chicago had warehousing .... became the perfect re-purpose for Loft living. Some former industrial areas are now cleared for new tech developments to mixed Residential Urban living. What some claimed was a curse of disconnect ..... became a asset to become part of its Urban Core.
The short video shows some of the Older DENSE areas near downtown and areas all around it.
Shows Chicago's Built Old Classic Urban built in winter and scenes toward the downtown and Gold Coast lakefront and park.
Clearly, built Urbanity is not merely similar looking high-rises newly built for a fast growing city that says you need to build a high-rise over other urban form as is Toronto's call vs a Chicago that still welcomes homes and 3-5 family infill also and Town-housing developments in newly built areas even.
^ Are we talking about core as in downtown type of area core or are we talking about basically an entire city? Because if you are going to talk about core as a downtown type of area, then I'm sorry but Chicago is not nearer to the end on that at all.
What part are referring to? Jobs or walkability?
I specified that I was talking core. And went on to say that it'd be a different story if we were talking entire cities. Which is why it would not be near the last in walkability.
I specified that I was talking core. Which is why it would not be near the last in walkability.
Different people have different definitions of what a "core" is - so if you are talking about something like the downtown area, then I wouldn't agree considering there's nearly 550,000 private sector jobs in downtown Chicago alone (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...rough-downtown). That is the highest of any time since 1990, including 2000 when the city had 200K more people total.
This list (Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed) is a handful of years old from 2010, but as far as CBD employment goes, you can see even back then:
1. New York: 1,981,305 people
2. Chicago: 500,450 people
3. Washington DC: 379,215 people
4. San Francisco: 297,420 people
5. Boston: 242,900 people
6. Philadelphia: 239,625
7. Atlanta: 172,975 people
8. Houston: 169,495 people
9. Seattle: 163,830 people
10. Los Angeles: 136,585 people
And also if you can read the first link above, the Chicago employment grew by 13% since this study was done. Also I found a source from Toronto.ca stating nearly 450K jobs downtown - so given DC's growth, it's probably around DC today - not sure of the ordering, but still probably #3 and #4 rank.
Different people have different definitions of what a "core" is - so if you are talking about something like the downtown area, then I wouldn't agree considering there's nearly 550,000 private sector jobs in downtown Chicago alone (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...rough-downtown). That is the highest of any time since 1990, including 2000 when the city had 200K more people total.
This list (Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed) is a handful of years old from 2010, but as far as CBD employment goes, you can see even back then:
1. New York: 1,981,305 people
2. Chicago: 500,450 people
3. Washington DC: 379,215 people
4. San Francisco: 297,420 people
5. Boston: 242,900 people
6. Philadelphia: 239,625
7. Atlanta: 172,975 people
8. Houston: 169,495 people
9. Seattle: 163,830 people
10. Los Angeles: 136,585 people
And also if you can read the first link above, the Chicago employment grew by 13% since this study was done.
sorry, edit here.
Not sure what this has to do with jobs or economy. If you're telling us Chicago's core is bigger than, say, San Francisco, I'd agree. That's about all I get out of this list.
This link seems to rank job openings and YoY market growth as indicators for local jobs/economy. This is probably more useful for the sake of this argument. As you'll see, I think this confirms my Chi/Phila guess. Not sure this even takes into consideration public sector, either.
Last edited by Yac; 02-14-2018 at 06:26 AM..
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..... Totontonians (or those who boast for it). Seem to be super-obsessed with boasting Bigger, More and Better in always using Chicago as its city to dig into .... even if it isn't vs Chicago in tat thread. Of course, here it is. But still you name it .... they will interject Toronto has a Bigger Core, more people, more dense, more urban, more ...... Keeps sounding like a obsession to boast it is superior ....
I know Chicagoans really don't. 
Seems urban Core includes neighborhoods where most work in the main business district. That clearly can gain Chicago its highest density neighborhoods as its Urban Core also. Part of Toronto's is Old Toronto areas of row-homes also.... seems they forget that ..... 
well the overhead wires are messy. Another is cleanliness .... especially here using Urban Cores. NO ONE claims Chicago's core is not super clean. Sorry Toronto .... there is no superiority in that one. 
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