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I know that, but let's say a kid grows up a UNC basketball fan or just likes the campus and Chapel Hill but wants to major in engineering or architecture. UNC-Chapel Hill is not even an option.
UNC and NC State have plenty of other common programs to include business and liberal arts majors.
There are many, many people who don't attend university in alignment with their fan allegiance. My sister-in-law grew up and is still a big NC State fan and she went to UNC. I know many, many others who are in the same situation. I have a good friend who went to Duke but grew up in Columbia as a Clemson fan. He's now a Duke Bball and Clemson Football fan. There are plenty of people who grew up a fan of one or the other and didn't go to either for a variety of reasons. People make it work.
Yes. There are common/similar programs between the two largest universities but key programs do not overlap. UNC has Medicine and Law while NC State doesn't. NC State has Engineering and Architecture/ Design while UNC doesn't. Those are the main ones.
Business, liberal arts, sciences like chemistry and biology, etc are taught at both UNC and NC State. That is a lot of majors. I don't think proximity to NC State is why NC State has engineering and architecture while UNC doesn't.
The medicine and law aspect is different because many NC State grads and grads of other schools are accepted into the UNC law and med and pharmacy schools because there are less professional schools like that. You don't have go to UNC for undergrad to get into those.
My point is UNC is not even an option, not that people who want to major in engineering and architecture can't be happy at another college. UNC -Charlotte doesn't play in a major conference and doesn't have as much name recognition, which is a bigger deal than rankings in my view when it comes to getting a job.
That explanation makes sense. Historically, Harvard never made a big push to improve its engineering programs because MIT was down the street.
UNC used to have engineering programs. They got moved to NC State in 1938.
Regardless of why, UNC is one of the few flagship universities that does not offer engineering.
Both Harvard and MIT are very small schools at undergrad level and private, and they are independent of each other. I don't see that being an analogous situation to two large public universities that are within the same university system. I believe UNC would have its own engineering school if the NC public universities were independent of each other, like is the case in SC.
University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill
Chapel Hill, NC
#30 in National Universities
Clemson University
Clemson, SC
#66 in National Universities
North Carolina State University--Raleigh
Raleigh, NC
#92 in National Universities (tie)
University of South Carolina
Columbia, SC
#107 in National Universities (tie)
I don't think US News hires most graduates of any of these NC and SC schools, and US News doesn't include input from employers in their rankings. The US News rankings also doesn't give information on the professors which is really the most important thing regarding the quality of the education. In my view, that is like reviewing and ranking restaurants but not talking about the food.
What matters is what employers think and I have never seen any evidence that most or all employers would favor UNC or other NC college grads for jobs over grads of SC schools.
It doesn't make sense to me to say a school that doesn't offer engineering and architecture and several other science majors is better than colleges that do offer these majors.
Last edited by ClemVegas; 06-14-2017 at 10:15 AM..
I'm skeptical Oxford or UNC or any other college that you think is more elite is better than SC in terms of quality of the education. I don't understand how you can make that assertion if you have no experience with these colleges.
Are you serious?
How do you think parents and students choose a school when they graduate from high school?
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