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Old 06-16-2017, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Midwest USA
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Originally Posted by Dyadic View Post
You're a hard nut to crack.......Since the last Census Indy has closed the population gap by over 21,000 people. Is that a lot? No. However, I can't wrap my head around how you can rationalize that KC is growing faster? Indy has a 6.16 percent growth rate to KC's 4.74.

By your logic if KC and Indy were investment plans you would select the plan paying 1.5 percent less.
I may be a hard nut to crack but you are a nut with an empty shell.
I would select the investment plan that's performed the best over the last 3 years as that's the best and real indicator of the future.


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You have a stronger argument comparing neighborhoods and perhaps architecture.
That's a given, KC is superior to Indy in every other way also including downtown resident population.
River Market, Streetcar, Power & Light District, Crossroads Art District, Crown Center, Union Station, Liberty Memorial, etc, etc, etc.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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I may be a hard nut to crack but you are a nut with an empty shell.
I would select the investment plan that's performed the best over the last 3 years as that's the best and real indicator of the future.




That's a given, KC is superior to Indy in every other way also including downtown resident population.
River Market, Streetcar, Power & Light District, Crossroads Art District, Crown Center, Union Station, Liberty Memorial, etc, etc, etc.
What a hyperbole. There are areas where each city surpass the other. Indy's has a larger downtown population and its economy is growing much faster. Besides, I guarantee you can't produce a legitimate sourced link that shows that TODAY (not 30 years ago) KC has a larger resident population.
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Midwest USA
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Indy's has a larger downtown population and its economy is growing much faster.
That's false because the numbers are subjective. KC claims a higher downtown population and there are 5,000 more apartments under construction/planned. There probably isn't a "credible source" as all cities boast/ invent numbers and because downtown boundaries are different in every city. KC has surely built more apartments and have more coming online then Indy does in the last 5 years. Downtown KC has clearly passed up Indy in the last 10 years.

And KC's other urban core Districts blow away everything outside of downtown Indy.
There's really no comparison between the 2 cities other than metro population.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...kc/KC/KC29.jpg

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http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c230/vegas2kc/KC%202/Memorial%20to%20Plaza_zpsznhqhlxg.jpg


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Old 06-16-2017, 05:24 PM
 
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That's false because the numbers are subjective. KC claims a higher downtown population and there are 5,000 more apartments under construction/planned. There probably isn't a "credible source" as all cities boast/ invent numbers and because downtown boundaries are different in every city. KC has surely built more apartments and have more coming online then Indy does in the last 5 years. Downtown KC has clearly passed up Indy in the last 10 years.

And KC's other urban core Districts blow away everything outside of downtown Indy.
There's really no comparison between the 2 cities other than metro population.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...kc/KC/KC29.jpg

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b3&oe=59E0A049

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D70D7E/usa-...ing-D70D7E.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W5eFmbQfp7Q/maxresdefault.jpg

https://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress....rip=all&w=1200

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ps6bjic9pd.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...psnhcnuthj.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/...6ef27f4a_h.jpg

https://flic.kr/p/T1SQLK

https://flic.kr/p/PFEtfq

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...psz4k9urne.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c230/vegas2kc/STREETCAR/4_zpsjzocnscl.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c230/vegas2kc/KC%202/Memorial%20to%20Plaza_zpsznhqhlxg.jpg


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ps8kb7vmex.jpg

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http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...pszsaga0g9.jpg
You couldn't support your initial claim. Gotcha.

Last edited by Dyadic; 06-16-2017 at 05:47 PM.. Reason: Clarity
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Old 06-16-2017, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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It would be interesting to see which city has higher crime and more low income residents living downtown. Also, which city has better shopping?
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Old 06-16-2017, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Midwest USA
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Some of downtown KC's larger new and conversion residential projects.
These are completed, or under construction in the last year.
There are dozens more smaller conversions that I'm not including.
I'm sure I missed a few, there's so many happening.

River Market West (137 units)
https://images1.apartments.com/i2/3q...ding-photo.jpgPower & Light Tower (299 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...htBuilding.jpg

One Light (315 units)
http://onelightkc.com/wp-content/upl...e-light-og.jpgTwo Light (300 units)
http://blog.ericbowersphoto.com/wp-c...truction-1.jpg

Commerce Tower (265 units)
http://cdn.homes.com/cgi-bin/readima...mo-64105-3.jpg

Summit on Quality Hill (252 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...616%20J%282%29

Apex on Quality Hill (138 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...%20J%20%282%29

Crossroads West (221 units)
http://blog.ericbowersphoto.com/wp-c...ads_west-2.jpg

ARTerra (125 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...0Rendering.jpg

Second & Delaware (276 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...agged-02%20(1)

531 Grand (140 units)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBBIKFQXcAEa04v.jpg

Centropolis on Grand (56 units)
https://images1.apartments.com/i2/kC...mary-photo.jpg
East9 Pickwick Plaza (260 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...ckwick%20plaza

SKY on Main (150 units)

http://media.bizj.us/view/img/792926...2610-0-242.jpg

Traders on Grand (200 units)
http://media.bizj.us/view/img/871703...3078-0-285.jpg


Scheduled to break ground this year


1923 Broadway (226 units breaks ground 4th qtr 2016)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/development/36c1bs/picture113880363/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/1923%20broadway


Three Light (300 units breaks ground 3rd qtr 2016)
http://i.imgur.com/ps6RqK8.jpg
The Gallerie at Crown Center (400+ unitsbreaks ground 4th qtr 2016)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...cGee%20%281%29

City Club Crossroads (293 units breaks ground 3rd qtr 2017)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...b%20Apartments
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Old 06-17-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by rumba77 View Post
Some of downtown KC's larger new and conversion residential projects.
These are completed, or under construction in the last year.
There are dozens more smaller conversions that I'm not including.
I'm sure I missed a few, there's so many happening.

River Market West (137 units)
https://images1.apartments.com/i2/3q...ding-photo.jpgPower & Light Tower (299 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...htBuilding.jpg

One Light (315 units)
http://onelightkc.com/wp-content/upl...e-light-og.jpgTwo Light (300 units)
http://blog.ericbowersphoto.com/wp-c...truction-1.jpg

Commerce Tower (265 units)
http://cdn.homes.com/cgi-bin/readima...mo-64105-3.jpg

Summit on Quality Hill (252 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...616%20J%282%29

Apex on Quality Hill (138 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...%20J%20%282%29

Crossroads West (221 units)
http://blog.ericbowersphoto.com/wp-c...ads_west-2.jpg

ARTerra (125 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...0Rendering.jpg

Second & Delaware (276 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...agged-02%20(1)

531 Grand (140 units)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBBIKFQXcAEa04v.jpg

Centropolis on Grand (56 units)
https://images1.apartments.com/i2/kC...mary-photo.jpg
East9 Pickwick Plaza (260 units)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...ckwick%20plaza

SKY on Main (150 units)

http://media.bizj.us/view/img/792926...2610-0-242.jpg

Traders on Grand (200 units)
http://media.bizj.us/view/img/871703...3078-0-285.jpg


Scheduled to break ground this year


1923 Broadway (226 units breaks ground 4th qtr 2016)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/development/36c1bs/picture113880363/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/1923%20broadway


Three Light (300 units breaks ground 3rd qtr 2016)
http://i.imgur.com/ps6RqK8.jpg
The Gallerie at Crown Center (400+ unitsbreaks ground 4th qtr 2016)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...cGee%20%281%29

City Club Crossroads (293 units breaks ground 3rd qtr 2017)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...b%20Apartments
No disrespect intended but that not a lot of construction. Surely KC has a website that shows all downtown pipeline construction projects. I realize you are advocating your city but what you posted isn't a lot of resident construction projects. Indy has well over 2 or 3 dozen downtown residential project currently under construction of in the pipeline. That's not including slated hotel construction and multi use facilities.

Downtown Indy
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Midwest USA
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No disrespect intended but that not a lot of construction. Surely KC has a website that shows all downtown pipeline construction projects. I realize you are advocating your city but what you posted isn't a lot of resident construction projects. Indy has well over 2 or 3 dozen downtown residential project currently under construction of in the pipeline. That's not including slated hotel construction and multi use facilities.

Downtown Indy
Can you stop trolling? And your link DOES include hotel rooms lol.
My posts are only intended to inform others with an open mind about KC - not to argue with you.

You're not reading with comprehension.
I said this and you glossed over it in typical fashion.

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Originally Posted by rumba77
Some of downtown KC's larger new and conversion residential projects.
These are completed, or under construction in the last year.
There are dozens more smaller conversions that I'm not including.
I'm sure I missed a few, there's so many happening.
So off the top of my head those were
Quote:
"Some of downtown KC's larger new and conversion residential projects."
I only noted the largest residential projects, not the dozens of other smaller residential projects.
And there have been 100+ conversions in the past 10 years.
So to reiterate, I only listed the largest projects within in the last year and the largest planned to break ground within the next year.

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Old 06-17-2017, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Midwest USA
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No disrespect intended but that not a lot of construction. Surely KC has a website that shows all downtown pipeline construction projects. I realize you are advocating your city but what you posted isn't a lot of resident construction projects. Indy has well over 2 or 3 dozen downtown residential project currently under construction of in the pipeline. That's not including slated hotel construction and multi use facilities.
Only you would claim that 6089 new residential units constructed and or breaking ground within the last year in downtown KC is "not a lot of construction." Remember this is only the largest projects (over 50 units), and I may have missed a few. I didn't try to list the dozens of smaller projects.

I show only 4082 total residential and hotel units on the Indy site you posted and that includes every single small project - even proposals. One of them is an apartment renovation, and 777 units are hotels rooms - not residential apartments or condos. http://www.downtownindy.org/reports/projects-pipeline/

KC
Residential Total Units 2016-2017: 6089
Indy Residential Units 2016-2017: 3305
That's 2784 less than KC's totals and I didn't even add in the smaller apartment projects in KC.
KC downtown residential is blowing downtown Indy out of the water.

Last edited by rumba77; 06-17-2017 at 11:48 PM.. Reason: Total Units : 4082
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Old 06-18-2017, 01:06 AM
 
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Can you stop trolling? And your link DOES include hotel rooms lol.
My posts are only intended to inform others with an open mind about KC - not to argue with you.

You're not reading with comprehension.
I said this and you glossed over it in typical fashion.

So off the top of my head those were I only noted the largest residential projects, not the dozens of other smaller residential projects.
And there have been 100+ conversions in the past 10 years.
So to reiterate, I only listed the largest projects within in the last year and the largest planned to break ground within the next year.
I'm replying not trolling. And also reread what I actually wrote. I said 2 or 3 dozen residential units not including hotels. I didn't say the link didn't including hotel construction. Huge difference. And let's not shift the subject. You clearly stated something you couldn't prove.

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That's a given, KC is superior to Indy in every other way also including downtown resident population. River Market, Streetcar, Power & Light District, Crossroads Art District, Crown Center, Union Station, Liberty Memorial, etc, etc, etc.
You couldn't provide any attribution and I called you on it. Then you replied with the following:

[quote=rumba77;48528307]That's false because the numbers are subjective. KC claims a higher downtown population and there are 5,000 more apartments under construction/planned. There probably isn't a "credible source" as all cities boast/ invent numbers and because downtown boundaries are different in every city. KC has surely built more apartments and have more coming online then Indy does in the last 5 years. Downtown KC has clearly passed up Indy in the last 10 years.

And KC's other urban core Districts blow away everything outside of downtown Indy.
There's really no comparison between the 2 cities other than metro population.[quote]

You basically made a declarative statement that KC had the larger downtown resident population. You couldn't prove that statement so you move the goal post to having more construction projects within the last 5 years ... lol. That part maybe true. However, Indy has been expanding its downtown for well over 20 years. And the link I provided show over 2 billion dollars in construction projects on top of the 12 billion already spent.
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