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Old 07-06-2017, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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This is a silly argument. For starters, Indianapolis succeeds in spite of the fact it is in Indiana, not because of it. Fishers and Carmel have been picking "low hanging" from Indianapolis for years. Just because they are in the same state doesn't make it less nefarious. The Kansas/Missouri thing is a red herring. There are many many many other metro areas that span multiple states, with competition between the states. KCMO isn't special in that regard.
That is true, but in the case of the KCMO metro area, the population living in both states is very close to an even 50/50 split, not common at all.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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This is a silly argument. For starters, Indianapolis succeeds in spite of the fact it is in Indiana, not because of it. Fishers and Carmel have been picking "low hanging" from Indianapolis for years. Just because they are in the same state doesn't make it less nefarious. The Kansas/Missouri thing is a red herring. There are many many many other metro areas that span multiple states, with competition between the states. KCMO isn't special in that regard.
Actually, the notion that Indianapolis succeeds in spite of Indiana is quite silly. I have a feeling you're aware of the fact that Indianapolis is the golden child of the state. It has literally everything going for it that it possibly can. If anywhere, it's Northwest Indiana that succeeds in spite of being in Indiana where it is basically ignored by the rest of the state.

And no, the border war between KS and MO is absolutely not a red herring. It is very much a real phenomenon. I can't think of two states that have a more antagonistic relationship than KS and MO.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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Actually, the notion that Indianapolis succeeds in spite of Indiana is quite silly. I have a feeling you're aware of the fact that Indianapolis is the golden child of the state. It has literally everything going for it that it possibly can. If anywhere, it's Northwest Indiana that succeeds in spite of being in Indiana where it is basically ignored by the rest of the state.
Explain how Indiana as a state helped Indianapolis build light rail transit. Please also explain how Indiana's RFRA law helped Indianapolis. Please explain why Kansas City can not succeed because it has suburbs in another state. Compare and contrast Kansas City's inability to succeed with Detroit, whose metro area far and away dwarfs any other in the state of Michigan.
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Old 07-07-2017, 05:35 PM
 
Location: KCMO
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Explain how Indiana as a state helped Indianapolis build light rail transit. Please also explain how Indiana's RFRA law helped Indianapolis. Please explain why Kansas City can not succeed because it has suburbs in another state. Compare and contrast Kansas City's inability to succeed with Detroit, whose metro area far and away dwarfs any other in the state of Michigan.
You don't live here and you don't really know what it's like. KC not only has to deal with Missouri's government, it also has to contend with Kansas. Kansas does not have any significant city so they put most of their attention in growing nearby Johnson County.

Indianapolis doesn't have this problem.
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Old 07-07-2017, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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You don't live here and you don't really know what it's like. KC not only has to deal with Missouri's government, it also has to contend with Kansas. Kansas does not have any significant city so they put most of their attention in growing nearby Johnson County.

Indianapolis doesn't have this problem.
Explain to me how JoCo going after Kansas City is any different than HamCo going after Indianapolis. "Well JoCo is in Kansas" isn't an answer.
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Old 07-07-2017, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh PA
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Explain to me how JoCo going after Kansas City is any different than HamCo going after Indianapolis. "Well JoCo is in Kansas" isn't an answer.
It's very different. The suburbs on the Missouri side compete with kc,mo like the suburbs of Indy would compete with the city of Indy.
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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It's very different. The suburbs on the Missouri side compete with kc,mo like the suburbs of Indy would compete with the city of Indy.
Just saying "it's very different" does not make it so. If it is such a special phenomenon, why hasn't anyone been able to explain why?
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:50 PM
 
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Just saying "it's very different" does not make it so. If it is such a special phenomenon, why hasn't anyone been able to explain why?
I am actually going to side with both you....it's a known fact in Indiana that Indy is the darling of the state....have you seen the pathetic roads in S. Indiana?

That said, Indy is its own worst enemy and cannot decided on very much needed light rail and the major improvements.

I have to agree that cities that are capitols are more prosperous right now.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:43 PM
 
Location: KCMO
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Just saying "it's very different" does not make it so. If it is such a special phenomenon, why hasn't anyone been able to explain why?
It's easier to contend with a suburb (like Lee's Summit) than it is to deal with a whole state [Kansas]

It is very different
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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It's easier to contend with a suburb (like Lee's Summit) than it is to deal with a whole state [Kansas]

It is very different
What's different about it? What exactly is Kansas as a state doing in real life with real examples to prop up JoCo in an attempt to pilfer KCMO that is different than HamCo going after Indy?
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