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View Poll Results: Best Urban Core?
Boston 25 15.63%
San Francisco 44 27.50%
Toronto 70 43.75%
DC 15 9.38%
Minneapolis 6 3.75%
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Old 06-26-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Downtown & Brooklyn!
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No, it really couldn't.
Maybe that was an exaggeration, but even still it probably wouldn't be too far behind when looking at just heavy rail/rapid transit (not light rail). It's still undeniabley far above the other cities on the list.
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Old 06-26-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Didn't the entire DC subway shut down for a bit?
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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Maybe that was an exaggeration, but even still it probably wouldn't be too far behind when looking at just heavy rail/rapid transit (not light rail). It's still undeniabley far above the other cities on the list.
It's definitely the best Metro system of the cities on this thread list.
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Old 06-26-2017, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario
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This is a good point. I definitely wouldn't say that skylines are completely irrelevant since many of those buildings are used for residential, commercial, office, and recreational purposes which add jobs/density/vibrancy/entertainment all to an area. Also they can create a very scenic + iconic cityscape like Manhattan for example, which definitely does add to the urban experience.

But I don't think you can judge an urban core by its skyline though. Just look at Houston, Dallas, or Charlotte compared to D.C. Or any European city.

I think a true urban core should extend far beyond the skyscraper district(s). NYC is a prime example. NYC urban core stretches far beyond Midtown and Lower Manhattan all the way through Upper Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and The Bronx to the Atlantic Ocean, and even exceeds the city limits into New Jersey and Westchester county. I'd even add the North shore of Staten Island too.
Exactly, that's why I said not every city's urban core benefits from a strong skyline, but to say a strong skyline has absolutely zero effect on some city's urban core is just bull. I think a strong skyline along a strong urban core and streetscape is the best of both worlds, but not entirely necessary! Strong urban high streets add so much to an urban core and surrounding areas, even without many high rises. Queen St. W. comes to mind for Toronto, and Rue. St. Laurent for Montreal, both very funky, crowded, iconic streets!
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Maybe that was an exaggeration, but even still it probably wouldn't be too far behind when looking at just heavy rail/rapid transit (not light rail). It's still undeniabley far above the other cities on the list.
In what metric?
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Exactly, that's why I said not every city's urban core benefits from a strong skyline, but to say a strong skyline has absolutely zero effect on some city's urban core is just bull. I think a strong skyline along a strong urban core and streetscape is the best of both worlds, but not entirely necessary! Strong urban high streets add so much to an urban core and surrounding areas, even without many high rises. Queen St. W. comes to mind for Toronto, and Rue. St. Laurent for Montreal, both very funky, crowded, iconic streets!
I like Chicago a lot but the highrise area of Chicago is actually far from the best part of that city.
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I like Chicago a lot but the highrise area of Chicago is actually far from the best part of that city.
I find those Chicago high rises quite ugly. The areas are boring too.
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:27 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Back to the size of Boston's urban core for a second. I think everyone would agree that it includes, at an absolute minimum, everything from North End to Mass Ave. But most would probably agree that it extends beyond that and includes (i) the Kendall and MIT campus area in Cambridge, (ii) the area west of Mass Ave to Kenmore Square/ Fenway/Museum of Fine Arts and (iii) the Seaport District. I've added these up using the Daft Logic map calculator and came up with slightly over 4 sq miles. This is still a bit smaller than what Toronto defines as its downtown, but there is also a lot more "fluff" in Toronto -- quiet residential blocks (often with SFHs) that are downtown by name only. Pound-for-pound the Boston core has better urban bones.

The side by side pictures that Mr Burns posted show that Toronto has a lot more highrises -- which we already know. What they don't show is the difference in non-highrise areas where Boston destroys Toronto.

I am not saying that Boston has a better urban core. I think (as I've said before) that they each have their strengths and weaknesses and it comes down to individual preference. But if anyone in Toronto thinks that Toronto is a tier up from Boston and is ready to set its sights on NY they are drinking too much Kool Aid.
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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You're right, they're not on par:

Boston GDP 382.46 Billion dollars
Toronto GDP 302 Billion dollars
When all else fails, bust out the GDP, because that is so relevant to this thread topic.

Nonetheless differences in measurements aside, this is the only thing you've provided where the cities are on par.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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When all else fails, bust out the GDP, because that is so relevant to this thread topic.

Nonetheless differences in measurements aside, this is the only thing you've provided where the cities are on par.
GDP is an incredibly misleading stat. Sometimes it is rendered meaningless. I think most people don't actually know what it is.
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