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View Poll Results: Best Urban Core?
Boston 25 15.63%
San Francisco 44 27.50%
Toronto 70 43.75%
DC 15 9.38%
Minneapolis 6 3.75%
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Old 06-26-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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Maybe that was an exaggeration, but even still it probably wouldn't be too far behind when looking at just heavy rail/rapid transit (not light rail). It's still undeniabley far above the other cities on the list.

In terms of overall public transit, The American Public Transportation Association just named the Toronto Transit Commission as the best in North America for this year.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...h-america.html
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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In terms of overall public transit, The American Public Transportation Association just named the Toronto Transit Commission as the best in North America for this year.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...h-america.html
That has nothing to do with transit quality. Previous winners include places like Dallas, Salt Lake City, Sacramento and the like.

The APTA is a silly organization anyways. They don't do anything to advance transit.

A few large transit orgs have stopped sharing info with them, because they're basically a slush fund. This "nonprofit's" CEO makes 800k in salary, they have a ton of six figure do-nothing positions, a bunch of fancy galas and conferences. They supposedly "advocate" for transit, and they get all their money from transit agency memberships, but the agencies are wising up.

NYC's MTA has threatened to leave the APTA, which would basically end them (membership fees are tied to ridership). That would be like 40% of their membership fees. It would be like the U.S. leaving the UN.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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When all else fails, bust out the GDP, because that is so relevant to this thread topic.

Nonetheless differences in measurements aside, this is the only thing you've provided where the cities are on par.
How is a greater than 20% difference in GDP "on par"? That would mean that Toronto has the same economy as Minneapolis, using your "math". In fact the difference is much less as with Boston-Toronto.

And how is total GDP "irrelevant" but # of condo boxes "relevent"? Actual sum of all economic activity, compared apples to apples, is "irrelevant" while a single industry within that GDP is somehow "relevant". Makes no sense.
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Old 06-26-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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How is a greater than 20% difference in GDP "on par"? That would mean that Toronto has the same economy as Minneapolis, using your "math". In fact the difference is much less as with Boston-Toronto.

And how is total GDP "irrelevant" but # of condo boxes "relevent"? Actual sum of all economic activity, compared apples to apples, is "irrelevant" while a single industry within that GDP is somehow "relevant". Makes no sense.
What are the urban boundaries used to determine the Toronto and Boston GDP numbers? What criteria do the Americans include vs the Canadians when calculating GDP? Is the 30% difference in exchange rate between the CAD and USD taken into account? How evenly is that wealth distributed among the population?

I would wager if Toronto was an American city with the exact same economy it has now, it would produce higher GDP numbers than Boston.

The thread topic is urban cores, condos bring residents, density, and life to the core.
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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What are the urban boundaries used to determine the Toronto and Boston GDP numbers? What criteria do the Americans include vs the Canadians when calculating GDP? Is the 30% difference in exchange rate between the CAD and USD taken into account? How evenly is that wealth distributed among the population?

I would wager if Toronto was an American city with the exact same economy it has now, it would produce higher GDP numbers than Boston.
Based on what??

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The thread topic is urban cores, condos bring residents, density, and life to the core.
So does a city's GDP.
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Old 06-27-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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So does a city's GDP.
I think it's probably more prudent to leave measures like GDP off the thread, and put our focus back to the explicitly stated criteria as per the OP - namely vibrancy, walkability.

(and to be entirely frank I don't think any of us actually has any real expertise or experience on how a city's GDP is calculated - most numbers you see are ball-park figures, with large variances depending on the nominal currency used, the methodologies, and the institution that conducted each GDP estimation; however Boston most likely has a larger GDP than Toronto due to Boston's place as a world leader for technology, VC investments, biotech research).
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Old 06-27-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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Based on what??



So does a city's GDP.
I truly fail to see what metro GDP has anything to do with the quality and vitality of the urban core. Three of the top 10 US metro GDPs are sunbelt metros that have some of the most lifeless urban cores for their size on planet earth. Barcelona's GDP would barely crack the top 20 in the US but its urban core destroys every US city except NY.
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Old 06-27-2017, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Downtown & Brooklyn!
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What are the urban boundaries used to determine the Toronto and Boston GDP numbers? What criteria do the Americans include vs the Canadians when calculating GDP? Is the 30% difference in exchange rate between the CAD and USD taken into account? How evenly is that wealth distributed among the population?

I would wager if Toronto was an American city with the exact same economy it has now, it would produce higher GDP numbers than Boston.

The thread topic is urban cores, condos bring residents, density, and life to the core.
Yeah it is taken into account. GDP (for anywhere in the world) is typically measured in US dollars. This is done so that there's an international universal common denominator.

But yeah, that doesn't really have anything to do with this thread topic.
On a side note: holy **** 30% really? I knew the American dollar was strong right now but I didn't realize how much. I have to plan another trip to Canada soon before this ends.
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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Yeah it is taken into account. GDP (for anywhere in the world) is typically measured in US dollars. This is done so that there's an international universal common denominator.
I think that's Mr. Burns' point. If the exchange rate was taken into account then that is essentially the difference and when the CAD eventually rebounds back any difference would be negligible.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:43 PM
 
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I think that's Mr. Burns' point. If the exchange rate was taken into account then that is essentially the difference and when the CAD eventually rebounds back any difference would be negligible.
When the CAD eventually rebounds, Toronto will post higher GDP numbers than Boston.

Of course the Toronto CSA already has a higher GDP than Boston at over $470 billion ($617 billion exchange rate adjusted). The $382 billion number Mr. Joshua cited (actually $363 bil according to Wiki) for Boston applies to the Greater Boston CSA, with a population of 8 million. The $470 billion Toronto figure is for the Greater Golden Horseshoe, with a population of 9 million.

Admittedly I know very little about how GDP is calculated in each country and the urban boundaries used (so feel free to correct if wrong), but I suspect a lot of people compare the GTA GDP numbers to American CSA GDP numbers.

Though again, it is irrelevant to this topic.
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