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Old 06-28-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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Methodology

"The states were ranked on performance in higher education as well as primary and secondary schooling and pre-K education. The measures included percentages of adults with associate’s degrees or higher, the rates of students completing public four-year and two-year college programs within 150 percent of the normal time, the average tuition and fees for in-state students at public institutions and the average debt load of graduates from public and private, colleges alike. The states also were ranked on percentages of children enrolled in preschool and on 10 basic criteria for the quality of preschools, including teacher training, class size and teacher-to-student ratios. They were compared in national testing of eighth-graders in math and reading, in rates of graduation from high school and readiness for college."

What Goes Into the Overall Score?

Higher Education - 50%
The higher education rankings track educational attainment, graduation rates, college debt and tuition costs.

Pre-K - 12 - 50%
This ranking measures enrollment in and quality of pre-K, test scores and the public high school graduation rate.

Rank State
#1 Massachusetts
#2 New Jersey
#3 New Hampshire
#4 Connecticut
#5 Maryland 13
#6 Nebraska 9
#7 Washington
#8 Iowa
#9 Utah
#10 Virginia
#11 Minnesota
#12 Wyoming
#13 South Dakota
#14 Kansas
#15 Vermont
#16 North Dakota
#17 Wisconsin
#18 Colorado
#19 New York
#20 Illinois
#21 North Carolina
#22 Oregon
#23 Missouri
#24 Montana
#25 California
#26 Delaware
#27 Indiana
#28 Maine
#29 Florida
#30 Oklahoma
#31 Rhode Island
#32 Tennessee
#33 Pennsylvania
#34 Alaska
#35 Kentucky
#36 Hawaii
#37 Georgia
#38 Ohio
#39 Arkansas
#40 Idaho
#41 Texas
#42 Michigan
#43 Arizona
#44 West Virginia
#45 Mississippi
#46 Louisiana
#47 Alabama
#48 New Mexico
#49 Nevada
#50 South Carolina

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ings/education
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Old 06-28-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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I am not shocked about the abysmal rating of education in the Land of Enchantment.
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Old 06-28-2017, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'The Waterfall City'
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If you transferred the failing students in the lowest ranked states to schools in the highest ranked states, I think they would still be failing students. Obviously many students go to schools in the lowest ranked states and get into good colleges and obtain good jobs with good employers. This wouldn't be possible if the K-12 education is truly no good in these states.

These rankings don't tell you anything about the teachers.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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If you transferred the failing students in the lowest ranked states to schools in the highest ranked states, I think they would still be failing students. Obviously many students go to schools in the lowest ranked states and get into good colleges and obtain good jobs with good employers. This wouldn't be possible if the K-12 education is truly no good in these states.

These rankings don't tell you anything about the teachers.
But this ranking takes into account numerous factors such as percentage of adults with a college degree, HS graduation rates, 8th grade test scores, teacher training etc.... This would suggest the states in the bottom perform poorly overall.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:50 PM
 
Location: I is where I is
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Not to try to be mean or anything, but #44-#50 aren't surprising to be the worst. West Virginia is obviously VERY rural, and somewhat poor. Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, are all known to be not the brightest. New Mexico and Nevada are just bare, desert states...

I'm surprised Indiana & Kentucky aren't further down (I am from So.Indiana) so not trying to bad mouth it, good to see they aren't though
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'The Waterfall City'
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US News has SC ranked no. 13 in 4 year college graduation rate. But 48th overall in higher education. That doesn't make any sense. Obviously they arbitrarily weight different things. If SC has the no. 13 best 4 year college graduation rate,, that is evidence that the K-12 schools are good. It doesn't make sense to rank education systems by the failing students.

Again, it is highly improbable that failing students in one state would become better students in another state. It doesn't make sense to assume that they would. I know firsthand that failing students in SC schools were typically not doing their homework, studying for tests, cutting up in class, etc. These kind of students not applying themselves are going to fail anywhere. It has nothing to do with the schools.

I don't think the tuition rankings account for financial aid. For example, SC offers a sizable merit based scholarship to students who maintain a 3.0 or higher. I doubt US news takes that into account. Do the tuition rankings also account for room and board. A college could have relatively low tuition but have sky high room and board.

There are other aspects related to tuition such as some states tax residents more for higher education and in general. The higher taxation is part of the cost of higher education but doesn't get accounted for in these rankings. In terms of overall cost, many people would be better off paying a higher tuition in SC than in a high COL and tax state like CA even if tuition is lower there.

Generally failing students come from poor families and states have different percentages of poor people. Some southern states and states like New Mexico have a higher percentage of poor people.

The US rankings doesn't take that into account. It would make more sense to break out the comparisons by demographics rather than lump them all together.
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'The Waterfall City'
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https://greenvillejournal.com/2017/0...-worst-nation/

Here is a good article I found that discusses the difference between states regarding education that the US News rankings ignores.

Here is an example from the article:

'McCreary said high school graduation rate was a big factor in the ranking. Yet the requirements to graduate vary greatly from state to state. South Carolina requires 24 credits to graduate, one of the highest totals in the nation, while California requires 13 credit hours.'
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