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Old 07-09-2017, 12:47 PM
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Location: Miami
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So can you provide a pic of healthy big phoenix palms in FL?
It is a known fact that Phoenix palm hate humidity.
Same could be said for the Royal Palms in Cali...
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Old 07-09-2017, 01:45 PM
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Location: Atlanta
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So can you provide a pic of healthy big phoenix palms in FL?
It is a known fact that Phoenix palm hate humidity.
No, they don't hate humidity. They thrive as far North as Coastal Georgia, which was proven in LovinDecatur's post #15. That link clearly shows 3 healthy Phoenix palms, not 1 as you claimed.

Due to the humidity of this region many of these palms have massive ferns growing out of the top of their trunks, right below the fronds. That's something I have never seen in California.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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No, they don't hate humidity. They thrive as far North as Coastal Georgia, which was proven in LovinDecatur's post #15. That link clearly shows 3 healthy Phoenix palms, not 1 as you claimed.

Due to the humidity of this region many of these palms have massive ferns growing out of the top of their trunks, right below the fronds. That's something I have never seen in California.
These palms have been thriving all over the Golden Isles of Georgia for 100 years. I see them daily down there; my cousin has several on her property on Sea Island.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:50 PM
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Location: Saint Paul, MN
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Instead of focusing on "winners" how about focus on personal preference? Because otherwise, if you're going to say that "Florida beats California in palms" then obviously Florida plus the REST of the coastal south, would demolish California. Only way to make it fair would be to take Florida out of the equation and compare California to the rest of the coastal South besides Florida.

I personally prefer Southeastern palms, though. Even without counting Florida, I love the look of the sabal palmetto which is abundant in the coastal Southeast. California has the more desert variety, which are cool but I prefer the sub-tropical and tropical ones. The California palms have a leg up for height but southeastern palms have more diversity.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:52 PM
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Location: Saint Paul, MN
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Nobody gets everything. We should all appreciate what we have.
True. Also if "everywhere had everything" it takes the fun outta travelling. Florida's flatness makes me appreciate the mountains and hills of other states more. I will say I think North Carolina has it all for those who want geographic variety but more lushness than California.
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Old 07-10-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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No, they don't hate humidity. They thrive as far North as Coastal Georgia, which was proven in LovinDecatur's post #15. That link clearly shows 3 healthy Phoenix palms, not 1 as you claimed.

Due to the humidity of this region many of these palms have massive ferns growing out of the top of their trunks, right below the fronds. That's something I have never seen in California.
ive seen date palms thriving as far north as extreme southern NC.
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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ive seen date palms thriving as far north as extreme southern NC.
Maybe in Oak Island (across the state line from Myrtle Beach SC), CIDP are a Zone 9a plant
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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Maybe in Oak Island (across the state line from Myrtle Beach SC), CIDP are a Zone 9a plant

yeah but they are marginal in zone 8b and are fairly common around the southern NC and myrtle beach cottages.

heres a big one in southport NC a little south of wilmington

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9601...2!8i6656?hl=en

some washingtonia robusta palms

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9873...2!8i6656?hl=en

some smaller more southern CIDP
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8944...2!8i6656?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8958...2!8i6656?hl=en

even california fan palms! aka washingtonia filfera

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1894...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8936...2!8i6656?hl=en
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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I could post tons of dead or severely damaged palm trees from the coastal south after 2014 and 2015 which I took myself on visits there. The South is a failed subtropical climate imo. Winters are all over the place with 20F one day and 70F a few days later. Palms and other subtropical plants are severely stressed by that. And just look at the record low temps there. Savannah GA 3F lol.

Not a single palm other than sabal palmetto would survive those kinds of temps, and not a question of if they return but when. The climate of the South has always done this. It is why citrus miserably failed in the colonial period in Charleston and Savannah. True subtropical climates like Spain, Italy, S. Calif, Australia, etc blow the South out of the water in this regard. Barcelona has parrots flying around and mangoes, bird of paradise, banana, papaya plants everywhere, at the same latitude as NYC.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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ive seen date palms thriving as far north as extreme southern NC.

They are not long term hardy there, and will be taken out sooner rather than later. A cidp cannot take constant 8b winters as it takes two summers to grow back a full crown. Two bad winters in a row or even every other winter for a few years and they will slowly die and succumb. Not long for this world there and why you don't see any more than a few feet tall. One 80's decade and they are history.
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