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Old 07-22-2017, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Center City
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Oops, forgot about Washington, DC and Philly.....humid and sweaty.
The northeast can be sweaty, as can the midwest. When the conditions are right, just about any place can be sweaty. I remember taking a July trip to Montreal some years back to escape a Houston summer only to find I dragged the hot and humid weather with me across the border.

While cities such as DC and Chicago experience sweaty days, of course, the gulf coast cities are in a class by themselves because of the duration and intensity of oppresive heat and humidity. Houston, for example, reached its first 90 degree day this year in April and its last 90+ degree on October 18 last year. Gulf coast cities also do not get the relief that comes in the evenings elsewhere. While examining the high temperatures, it is revealing to look at the lows. In Houston, for example, the lows have not fallen below 79 degrees the last three evenings.

While heat waves come and go even in Montreal, the heat begins arriving in April along the gulf coast, and stays well into October, bringing not only uncomfortable days but also uncomfortable evenings. Check these comparisons if you have any doubts.

Houston v DC: https://outflux.net/weather/noaa/ind...66%3BFORID%3A9
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:28 AM
 
Location: South Padre Island, TX
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The densest forests in the country are in the Casacdes and the Adirondacks through Longfellow Mountains.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=o1l...1qCJ9drH9MIxM:
The relative lack of Lushness in Northeastern is due to Density not nature. (Say Boston vs Atlanta or Raleigh vs Providence)
Nope, your link goes towards a map depicting above ground woody-biomass measurements, not an indication of forest cover density by any means. The North has greater biomass because the colder climate slows the rate of decay of dead organisms (i.e. fallen trees, logs, etc).

A dense Southern city still would be lusher than a dense Northern city. Subtropical Asian cities (like Hong Kong) provide an example of how lush a dense Southern city would still be:
https://us.123rf.com/450wm/oksanapho...kong.jpg?ver=6
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Nope, your link goes towards a map depicting above ground woody-biomass measurements, not an indication of forest cover density by any means. The North has greater biomass because the colder climate slows the rate of decay of dead organisms (i.e. fallen trees, logs, etc).

A dense Southern city still would be lusher than a dense Northern city. Subtropical Asian cities (like Hong Kong) provide an example of how lush a dense Southern city would still be:
https://us.123rf.com/450wm/oksanapho...kong.jpg?ver=6
Hong King gets 96 inches of rain a year, the only comparable places are the Whites of NH and the Cascades.
and from a shade standpoint, the Northeast is equal to the Southeast, unless you can explain to me how you can get more shade than this
http://www.unionparkpress.com/wp-con...l-1024x680.jpg
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:44 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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If you like sweat go to a sunny afternoon Cardinals baseball game in August in St. Louis.
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: South Padre Island, TX
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Hong King gets 96 inches of rain a year, the only comparable places are the Whites of NH and the Cascades.
And all that 96 inches comes during the warm season, with the climate as a whole having a long or year-round growing season. Just like the South.

So Hong Kong > Southern US > Northern US

Shade? Show me anything like this in the Northern US:
http://traverse.us.com/wp-content/up...s-SP-SC-09.jpg
http://www.garysnursery.com/publishI...~~element2.jpg
http://fortheloveofwanderlust.com/wp...2/img_8227.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2153/1...a3a8fd2f_b.jpg
http://www.naturelssi.com/wp-content...9-1024x683.jpg
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Old 07-22-2017, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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In DC, for most of the year you can look at the actual temperature and get a good idea what the day's going to be like.

Along the Gulf Coast, for 4-5 months of the year the raw temperature is meaningless because the humidity and dew point will be so high (and relentless) that the heat index/real feel temp is what you need. Hence the part about how "But but... Tampa has never reached 100 degrees!!!" is utter horse crap. That's raw temp. Right now it's cloudy (about to storm) and the weather says it's only 89. Great, right? No. Dew point is 75. Humidity is 83%. Real feel (even in cloud cover with an impending storm) is 106. Some days the real feel is 115. When the dew point is this high, your body can not evaporate sweat on its own, so you go outside and in a few minutes you're sweating because the water has nowhere to go. Happens up in DC, too but the difference is their summers see frequent drops in humidity. Tampa summers don't. It's like this for 4 to 5 months straight, around the clock. Many places along the Gulf are similar in this respect, which is why they (and FL in general) should be regarded as the sweatiest.

You rarely see a real feel temp higher than the actual temp in Phoenix because there's no water in the air, so any sweating you do evaporates right off.
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Old 07-22-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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And all that 96 inches comes during the warm season, with the climate as a whole having a long or year-round growing season. Just like the South.

So Hong Kong > Southern US > Northern US

Shade? Show me anything like this in the Northern US:
http://traverse.us.com/wp-content/up...s-SP-SC-09.jpg
http://www.garysnursery.com/publishI...~~element2.jpg
http://fortheloveofwanderlust.com/wp...2/img_8227.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2153/1...a3a8fd2f_b.jpg
http://www.naturelssi.com/wp-content...9-1024x683.jpg
http://www.mainetrailfinder.com/imag...3_1451-128.jpg
http://ashleydickson.com/images/moun...k-1024x682.jpg
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...00826006118569
in terms of shade, you can get 100% shade coverage in the Northeast, due to acidic pine needles there is less underbrush usually, but that doesn't detract from the shade.
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Old 07-22-2017, 10:14 AM
 
Location: South Padre Island, TX
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In DC, for most of the year you can look at the actual temperature and get a good idea what the day's going to be like.

Along the Gulf Coast, for 4-5 months of the year the raw temperature is meaningless because the humidity and dew point will be so high (and relentless) that the heat index/real feel temp is what you need. Hence the part about how "But but... Tampa has never reached 100 degrees!!!" is utter horse crap. That's raw temp. Right now it's cloudy (about to storm) and the weather says it's only 89. Great, right? No. Dew point is 75. Humidity is 83%. Real feel (even in cloud cover with an impending storm) is 106. Some days the real feel is 115. When the dew point is this high, your body can not evaporate sweat on its own, so you go outside and in a few minutes you're sweating because the water has nowhere to go. Happens up in DC, too but the difference is their summers see frequent drops in humidity. Tampa summers don't. It's like this for 4 to 5 months straight, around the clock. Many places along the Gulf are similar in this respect, which is why they (and FL in general) should be regarded as the sweatiest.

You rarely see a real feel temp higher than the actual temp in Phoenix because there's no water in the air, so any sweating you do evaporates right off.
As of 11:53 AM ET, Tampa has a temperature of 84F, Rel Humidity 74%, Dewpoint 75F. Equates to a heat index of 92F. But even using the values you provided (89F temp w 75F dewpoint), the heat index still ends up under 100F:
Heat Index Calculation
https://i.imgur.com/79PgItF.png

Also consider that the incoming storm (along with the nearby Gulf) provides winds which help alleviate sweatiness/uncomfort in ways that aren't seen with drier climates. Open your eyes, and stop giving in to the humidity boogeyman.


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http://www.mainetrailfinder.com/imag...3_1451-128.jpg
http://ashleydickson.com/images/moun...k-1024x682.jpg
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...00826006118569
in terms of shade, you can get 100% shade coverage in the Northeast, due to acidic pine needles there is less underbrush usually, but that doesn't detract from the shade.
Not even close.
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Old 07-22-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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As of 11:53 AM ET, Tampa has a temperature of 84F, Rel Humidity 74%, Dewpoint 75F. Equates to a heat index of 92F. But even using the values you provided (89F temp w 75F dewpoint), the heat index still ends up under 100F:
Heat Index Calculation
https://i.imgur.com/79PgItF.png

Also consider that the incoming storm (along with the nearby Gulf) provides winds which help alleviate sweatiness/uncomfort in ways that aren't seen with drier climates. Open your eyes, and stop giving in to the humidity boogeyman.




Not even close.
The main difference is underbrush is you can explain to me how ferns keep you cool, then I will concede the point.
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Old 07-22-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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As of 11:53 AM ET, Tampa has a temperature of 84F, Rel Humidity 74%, Dewpoint 75F. Equates to a heat index of 92F. But even using the values you provided (89F temp w 75F dewpoint), the heat index still ends up under 100F:
Heat Index Calculation
https://i.imgur.com/79PgItF.png

Also consider that the incoming storm (along with the nearby Gulf) provides winds which help alleviate sweatiness/uncomfort in ways that aren't seen with drier climates. Open your eyes, and stop giving in to the humidity boogeyman.




Not even close.
Tell us more.



Oh and that storm, sure, it'll blow out the humidity for a few minutes. Then when the sun comes back out, it'll start evaporating all the water and it'll feel like hell. Go a few miles inland, you know, where most people live, and you won't get much of a breeze at all.

You don't even live here. Please stop posting.
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