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Old 08-10-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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Yes that is an issue but even then here are the parking requirements for the Village of Hinsdale to give you an idea of the parking requirements of a Railroad Suburb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yum55do9li...rking.pdf?dl=0 and compare it with: http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/De...arking_req.pdf
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:46 AM
 
Location: The mountain of Airy
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While people often claim that Houston has no zoning, it does have some aspects of what is traditionally called a zoning code, such as parking minimums. It may be even though first-floor commercial is allowed they don't want to deal with the huge expansion to structured parking which would be needed in order to integrate ground-floor retail into these developments.
Typical that the only zoning is zoning to ensure as many people drive everywhere as possible. Welcome to the USA!
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: The mountain of Airy
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Yes that is an issue but even then here are the parking requirements for the Village of Hinsdale to give you an idea of the parking requirements of a Railroad Suburb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yum55do9li...rking.pdf?dl=0 and compare it with: http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/De...arking_req.pdf
Are the zoning requirements for Hinsdale the exact codes that were in effect to establish what is currently there? Or did zoning change after Hinsdale the railroad suburbs was built? The latter is what most American cities (especially legacy cities) are surfing off of. It's tough to build something so inherently walkable AND mixed-use even in some of the better zoned communities.
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Old 08-10-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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This is the parking requirments for Westmont another Railroad Suburb: https://library.municode.com/il/west...ARTXOREPAORELO and here are some photos contrasting new Westmont: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8102...7i13312!8i6656 vs old Westmont: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7965...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 08-10-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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This is why it still matters is when some building gets replaced it cannot be built in the same manner thereby deleting the character of the place. I am all for removing Minimum Parking Requirments (which are not zoning because it does not say you cannot use the land in such and such way, only that you just need to have enough off street parking to be allowed to use your property in that manner.)
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:50 PM
 
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Typical that the only zoning is zoning to ensure as many people drive everywhere as possible. Welcome to the USA!
Urban neighborhood-oriented retail often doesn't have parking. That's part of the walkability theme. Only when it's really large like a supermarket is it necessary in urban-type places, and sometimes not even then.

The bigger challenge is that retail can get in the way of an efficient parking layout if the site isn't large. Of course that's much less of a challenge if the parking is underground.

On the flip side, it takes pretty good density to keep a large amount of pedestrian-oriented retail going. It's best if kept to "high streets" with the side streets not having any, or not having much.
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: The mountain of Airy
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Urban neighborhood-oriented retail often doesn't have parking. That's part of the walkability theme. Only when it's really large like a supermarket is it necessary in urban-type places, and sometimes not even then.

The bigger challenge is that retail can get in the way of an efficient parking layout if the site isn't large. Of course that's much less of a challenge if the parking is underground.

On the flip side, it takes pretty good density to keep a large amount of pedestrian-oriented retail going. It's best if kept to "high streets" with the side streets not having any, or not having much.
I agree with the above. Problem is making it happen in the USA outside of a handful of towns/cities. There is plenty of bastardized New Urbanism where it LOOKS walkable but is really just a facade. Too much parking, fast moving roads chopping up any sort of cohesive walkability, etc.
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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Exactly, even in Midtown, you spear away from Peachtree, it can get a bit suburban.

By comparison Cleveland has a better Urban Fabric.
This is false
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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This is false
What is false? You're saying that Midtown Atlanta doesn't have a suburban vibe? Or that Cleveland doesn't have an urban legacy?

Here's Midtown Atlanta. Looks like suburban sprawl to me.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7964...7i13312!8i6656

Here's an older residential street in Midtown Atlanta. Looks like a typical older suburb in the Northeastern U.S. Classic older suburbia.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7753...7i13312!8i6656

Now here's a fairly impressive prewar streetscape in downtown Cleveland. Where is an equivalent streetscape in Atlanta?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4998...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:09 PM
 
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What is false? You're saying that Midtown Atlanta doesn't have a suburban vibe? Or that Cleveland doesn't have an urban legacy?

Here's Midtown Atlanta. Looks like suburban sprawl to me.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7964...7i13312!8i6656

Here's an older residential street in Midtown Atlanta. Looks like a typical older suburb in the Northeastern U.S. Classic older suburbia.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7753...7i13312!8i6656

Now here's a fairly impressive prewar streetscape in downtown Cleveland. Where is an equivalent streetscape in Atlanta?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4998...7i13312!8i6656
Here is a narrow dense side street in downtown Atlanta
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7563...7i13312!8i6656

meanwhile this is 1 block from Euclid Avenue in Cleveland (their Peachtree)
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4991...7i13312!8i6656

and this is a typical residential area of Cleveland less than 1 mile from Playhouse Square and Progressive Field https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4967...7i13312!8i6656
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