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Old 07-20-2017, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Pretty self-explanatory. Which system do you think is overall better when considering expansiveness, timeliness, reliability, cleanliness, etc?

I've been a New Yorker for most of my life, and of course one thing that a lot of people often bring up about the city is our transit system. It's definitely the most well-known in the nation, but I think that gives people the wrong idea that it's the "best." Honestly, the only thing about the NYC transit system that I think it has going for it is simply its size. There is hardly a place within the 5 boroughs that can't be reached (or nearly reached) with a subway and/or bus ride.

However, delays of some sort are a daily problem on many routes, the subway is pretty filthy when compared to any other system I've been in (domestic or abroad), and in general the infrastructure and design is outdated, not to mention that the fares are going up while the service is worse than I can ever recall.

About a month ago, I visited some friends in L.A, and since they didn't have a car, we used the subway, light rail, and buses to get everywhere, and in general I was fairly impressed. In addition to being cheaper, the subway was much cleaner, we didn't experience a single delay on any ride, and the available routes actually served us quite well. The only aspect of it that I found a bit odd was the way the buses are identified, since they not only have a number but belong to different "branches" of the metro system, so some buses with different routes can have the same number but use differently marked buses. At least, that's the impression I got.

However, I will concede that I was only there for 4 days, so I'd be interested to hear about people with long-standing experience with both systems.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:47 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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NYC by a million.

LA's mass transit has improved light years from what it used to be, but it's nowhere near comparable to NYC's. At all.

The Metro Subway in LA IS actually pretty clean and runs relatively smoothly, but it doesn't have the hours of NYC and it's also far less extensive. I have to walk 30 min from my apartment (and I live in an extremely desirable area) to get to the nearest subway stop.

LA does have a very good bus system though, and it covers most major streets. The only challenge is how the city is naturally decentralized and spread out - so unless you live relatively close to where you work or within a straight line of a major street, you'd have to make at least one big transfer.

LA is not as much of a public transportation city as NYC.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Downtown & Brooklyn!
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In terms of the subway:
The smaller a subway system is, the easier it is to manage. When your subway system is that small, the very least you can expect is decent service.

When this is the whole subway system:
https://media.metro.net/riding_metro...images/802.pdf

Compared to this:
http://web.mta.info/nyct/maps/subwaymap.pdf

There's no reason for LA subway to have all the bull****ery that happens to the NYC subway. Train traffic should not be a thing at all, and delays + switch problems should be extremely rare. That's the very least to expect.
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Old 07-21-2017, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Near L.A.
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NYC by far, and yet only by default.

L.A. is rapidly improving, but has literally another 3-4 decades before it can be on the same level as NYC's system. Yet, I say by default for not only the reason that NYC's system is expansive, but also for the reason that NYC's system is horribly filthy, rat-ladened, and not what I'd call a showpiece public transport system for the world to see.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:14 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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NYC, by far. No question. LA is improving, though, but a "car centric" mentality pervades the city.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Kent, UK/ Rhode Island, US
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OP made some decent points in the post, NYC does have a lot of ways it can improve. But I'm still giving this to NYC.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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Nyc subway system is probably the best in the world far as 24/7 access and how large it is.

I think Los Angeles is better with light rail & bus transit
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Old 07-21-2017, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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As if on que, this morning a subway car derailed in NYC.

I definitely understand why people still say that L.A's is behind New York's, but the fact that this sort of thing barely qualifies as news anymore is a big part of why I have lost a lot of respect for the New York metro system.
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Old 07-21-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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Nyc
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Old 07-23-2017, 04:49 PM
 
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This is an idiotic thread.

NYC has like 10 million daily heavy rail passengers. LA has like 150k daily heavy rail passengers.

Yeah, you read about more "incidents" in NYC, because there's like 70x the ridership. It's the same reason there are more subway "incidents" in LA than in Bakersfield.
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