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Old 07-28-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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But my point is that if the municipal city of SF starting from scratch were drawn to be 300 sq mi going down the coast line to begin with, I'm certain that development patterns would have been forced to be different within the city. In turn this would have affected how real estate patterns developed there over time. Who knows if half the extra 250 sq miles would have been filled with upscale real estate.

SF is an extremely special case because of its topography btw.
And the fact that the engine of its economic growth is outside of the city. Chicago and Philadelphia burbs would be just as expensive if they hosted America's tech industry.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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Here's the thing: for some (particularly high-paying) careers, you kinda DO have to live in NY, DC or the Bay Area.
But you can choose to have a similar job/career and make less and live in a more affordable city. It's still a matter of choice.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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But my point is that if the municipal city of SF starting from scratch were drawn to be 300 sq mi going down the coast line to begin with, I'm certain that development patterns would have been forced to be different within the city. In turn this would have affected how real estate patterns developed there over time. Who knows if half the extra 250 sq miles would have been filled with upscale real estate.

SF is an extremely special case because of its topography btw.
I don't know if this is true.

Again, home prices don't really drop when you leave SF, and development patterns aren't much different. Daly City looks (more or less) like adjacent areas of SF.
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Old 07-28-2017, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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The core cities of the expensive ones are pretty small. Not a lot of sprawl.

I will disagree that Chicago is less desirable than the sunbelt cities.
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Old 07-28-2017, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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Rent asked (no. of units by city/borough). $3,000 or more.

Manhattan - 7,525 (23.2%)
Los Angeles - 1,723 (4.2%)
San Francisco - 987 (8.5%)
Chicago - 697 (1.4%)
Washington, DC - 638 (5.5%)
Brooklyn - 602 (1.9%)
Boston - 492 (5.1%)
Seattle - 379 (6.2%)
San Jose - 375 (9.1%)
Philadelphia - 374 (1.5%)
Denver - 222 (2.7%)
Oakland - 195 (4.0%)
Minneapolis - 160 (3.4%)
Charlotte - 131 (1.2%)
Miami Beach - 61 (3.2%)
Baltimore - 56 (0.4%)
Atlanta - 20 (0.1%)
So if I'm interpreting this right, there are only 22 apartments in Atlanta for rent over 3,000?
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Old 07-28-2017, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Agreed, but there are no more geographic constraints in NYC than in Philly or Chicago.

Manhattan is a small island of 1.7 million people. The NYC CSA has 24 million people, with few geographic constraints,
How is the The Atlantic Ocean not a major geographic constraint for NYC?

To Philadelphias ESE you have about 6000 sq miles of livable land. 6000 extra sq miles of room to build houses and apartments compared to NYC,Bos,SF,LA .

ESE of Manhattan ? Nothing but ocean friend.

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Old 07-28-2017, 09:42 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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Rent asked (no. of units by city/borough). $3,000 or more.

Manhattan - 7,525 (23.2%)
Los Angeles - 1,723 (4.2%)
San Francisco - 987 (8.5%)
Chicago - 697 (1.4%)
Washington, DC - 638 (5.5%)
Brooklyn - 602 (1.9%)
Boston - 492 (5.1%)
Seattle - 379 (6.2%)
San Jose - 375 (9.1%)
Philadelphia - 374 (1.5%)
Denver - 222 (2.7%)
Oakland - 195 (4.0%)
Minneapolis - 160 (3.4%)
Charlotte - 131 (1.2%)
Miami Beach - 61 (3.2%)
Baltimore - 56 (0.4%)
Atlanta - 20 (0.1%)
Wow Manhattan is crazy. I must say however that these data significantly underestimate San Francisco. I feel like it should be several times higher in terms of raw numbers and percentages. Isn't the average 1BR rent like 3500? How can it be that 90% of the rentals are under 3k? I get rent control but that seems awfully low. It most certainly shouldn't be below LA.
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:11 AM
 
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Wow Manhattan is crazy. I must say however that these data significantly underestimate San Francisco. I feel like it should be several times higher in terms of raw numbers and percentages. Isn't the average 1BR rent like 3500? How can it be that 90% of the rentals are under 3k? I get rent control but that seems awfully low. It most certainly shouldn't be below LA.
I agree...
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Old 07-29-2017, 05:37 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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So if I'm interpreting this right, there are only 22 apartments in Atlanta for rent over 3,000?
That seems more than possible, especially since this looks like city proper only.
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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How is the The Atlantic Ocean not a major geographic constraint for NYC?
Because most of the sprawl is nowhere near the Atlantic. Is Chicago "constrained" by Lake Michigan? Is Houston "constrained" by the Gulf of Mexico? Ridiculous.

Almost all major metros have some water. It doesn't mean they can't sprawl forever in most directions. NYC could easily sprawl to Canada and the Midwest, in theory.
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To Philadelphias ESE you have about 6000 sq miles of livable land. 6000 extra sq miles of room to build houses and apartments compared to NYC,Bos,SF,LA .

ESE of Manhattan ? Nothing but ocean friend.
I have no idea what an ESE is, or "livable land" (almost all land is livable) but there's nothing but ocean for both cities. The ocean isn't much further in Philly. Hell, Montauk is much further from Manhattan than the Jersey Shore is from Philly. You can live 120 miles east of Manhattan, in total sprawl, no problem.

In both cities, they can sprawl to infinity except for the ocean side.
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