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Old 08-01-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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There's a forum here on CD called "Do Legacy Cities Get a Pass?" It was asking do cities like Cleveland, St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore or Buffalo get pass due to their past history. Myself and many others feel that those cities don't get a pass because they've been maligned nationally for so long, and feel that the major Coastal cities, Sunbelt cities and Chicago get more of a past than Rust Belt cities. Which cities get more of a pass? Why or why not? Or, do any of these cities get a pass at all?
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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That thread you're referencing was specifically about urbanity and was pretty much limited to here on C-D.
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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That thread you're referencing was specifically about urbanity and was pretty much limited to here on C-D.
I know, but I want to know do major cites get more of a past than rust belt legacy cities. Because there was a debate that people feel that legacy get more of a pass while myself and others felt that the bigger cities get a pass.
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Old 08-01-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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Let me preface this by saying I love New York. I grew up there and I think it's the best city in the country. That said, New York gets more passes than any other city in the world. Its wages don't match its cost-of-living. It's the weather is abysmal...brutal winters AND summers.
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Old 08-01-2017, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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That thread you're referencing was specifically about urbanity and was pretty much limited to here on C-D.
Also, when has Cleveland ever been looked at for urbanity? Most people feel that Cleveland isn't urban enough or doesn't have enough urbanity like the Coasts or even Pittsburgh.
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Old 08-01-2017, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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I know, but I want to know do major cites get more of a past than rust belt legacy cities. Because there was a debate that people feel that legacy get more of a pass while myself and others felt that the bigger cities get a pass.
If you're focusing on urbanity, it depends upon what group you're talking about.

NYC, Chicago, Philly, Boston, DC and San Francisco lead in terms of urbanity. I do think there's a tendency to lump the non-NYC five together though, when in fact I think it's pretty clear that Philly is a more urban city than DC (and arguably Boston).

The OP in the other post was mostly contrasting the Rust Belt with the Sun Belt however, saying we overhype the urbanity of the latter when it really isn't much better. I think he's wrong, although again there are big differences. Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and St. Louis have good urban form (although all have been partially wrecked by urban renewal) while Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, and Milwaukee are much more dominated by detached single-family houses outside of CBD area.

I do think however there's no major difference in urbanity between the legacy cities of the Great Lakes (which I mentioned above - Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, and Milwaukee) with the non-Rustbelt cities in the midwest (Indianapolis, Columbus, Minneapolis, Kansas City). I think at this point you could even argue that due to infill, western cities like Seattle, Portland, and even Denver might be ahead of them.

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Old 08-01-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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I know, but I want to know do major cites get more of a past than rust belt legacy cities. Because there was a debate that people feel that legacy get more of a pass while myself and others felt that the bigger cities get a pass.
In what sense? Your question is way too broad.
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Old 08-01-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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Also, when has Cleveland ever been looked at for urbanity? Most people feel that Cleveland isn't urban enough or doesn't have enough urbanity like the Coasts or even Pittsburgh.
People often class cities into "urban" and "suburban"
Obviously NY is just on another level but Cleveland, Cincinnati and St Louis gets classed with Seattle, DC, Boston, and Chicago as "urban" despite the former group being closer in density to "suburban" cities like Atlanta, Dallas, Columbus, or Austin.
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Old 08-01-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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People often class cities into "urban" and "suburban"
Obviously NY is just on another level but Cleveland, Cincinnati and St Louis gets classed with Seattle, DC, Boston, and Chicago as "urban" despite the former group being closer in density to "suburban" cities like Atlanta, Dallas, Columbus, or Austin.
I've never been to Cincinnati, but I get the impression that it's level of urbanity is closer to Boston's than Seattle is. To be honest, while Seattle has a world-class downtown, I don't think it's other neighborhoods are more urban than say, Pittsburgh. It's definitely less urban than Baltimore.
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Old 08-01-2017, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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In what sense? Your question is way too broad.
I mean, do the Coastal or Sunbelt cities and/or Chicago get passes to the point that their flaws get glossed or does the Rust Belt/Legacy cities get a pass and their flaws get glossed over? Because a lot of people on one side say that Legacy cities get a pass and don't get criticized enough while myself and other feel that the Coast, Sunbelt cities and maybe Chicago gets more of a pass and they're not criticized enough for their flaws like the Rust Belt is.
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