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View Poll Results: PA vs. NY
NY 68 53.97%
PA 58 46.03%
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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NY is an east coast state. PA has no coast and is more a rust belt state.
New York is a rust belt state too, though. Even if you do not count New England.

Just because a teeny sliver of NY is coastal doesn't mean the rest of the state doesn't exist.

This is a CLASSIC example of how NYC just suffocates anything else about NY state in the public view.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Downtown & Brooklyn!
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It probably doesn't help that the city and the State share the same name. If New York State was called something else — literally anything else, it would probably not be as bad I'm guessing.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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It probably doesn't help that the city and the State share the same name. If New York State was called something else literally anything else, it would probably not be as bad I'm guessing.
That is the prevailing theory.

NYC was once New Amsterdam. It never should have been changed.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Yeah, as CookieSkoon said, NY too could as easily qualify for "rust belt."

Really, when it comes down to it, both are East Coast and Northeastern states. Southeastern Pennsylvania is Pennsylvania's Downstate NY equivalent. Obviously SE PA is on a smaller scale. Upstate NY is NY's equivalent to "the rest of Pennsylvania" (that sounds terrible, but I'm not sure how to phrase it. Rural Pennsylvania does not fit, as it is not just rural).

Both states have areas with a heavy "East Coast feel" and a rust belt / Appalachian feel.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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This is a CLASSIC example of how NYC just suffocates anything else about NY state in the public view.
65.8% of the state's population lives in a New York City MSA county. Why wouldn't that be the case?
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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65.8% of the state's population lives in a New York City MSA county. Why wouldn't that be the case?
It shouldn't! People should be smart enough to realize there is an entire state attached. All it takes is looking at a map.

It isn't rocket science.

This is what I'm talking about. Upstate goes entirely ignored and discounted and almost shunned from things it is a part of.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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It shouldn't! People should be smart enough to realize there is an entire state attached. All it takes is looking at a map.

It isn't rocket science.

This is what I'm talking about. Upstate goes entirely ignored and discounted and almost shunned from things it is a part of.
Indeed. When 1 in 3 NYers live outside of the NYC metro, that's still a significant chunk of the population.

Unfortunately, PA has the opposite issue, whereby rural interests are definitely OVER-represented in the legislature despite over half of Pennsylvanians living in the Philly or Pittsburgh areas.

State governments generally need to do a better job of balancing local interests across sub-regions.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Philly
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Awesome thread! Both states are among my favorites!

I ultimately ended up choosing PA, although I haven't seen as much of Upstate NY as I have rural PA. Not only is Philly my favorite city, but PA also has a host of other interesting cities (Bethlehem, Easton, Scranton, Milford, etc.). Philadelphia's suburbs are also the best in the US, imo. They tend to be more historic and connected to the city by rail than any other area. Speaking of rail, Philly's MSA and CSA are the best suited MSA and CSA for sustainable future growth as Philly has the US' only truly connected commuter rail system, which is also fully electrified.

Outside of Philly, Northeast PA and the Lehigh Valley are stunning. Having Delaware Water Gap is hard to beat. Although NY has its own beaches (PA also has beaches by Lake Erie), the South Jersey portion of the Shore is superior to anything above Ocean County (with Ashbury Park being a notable exception).

One thing I like about NY is the fact that residents in Upstate realize that NYC is the state's economic driver and don't mind investing their tax dollars towards it. Rural PA residents are reluctant to fund anything related to Philly, although we subsidize the rest of the state with the tax revenues we generate. Southeast PA is also the only portion of PA experiencing growth. Another thing I like about NY is their school funding formula. PA's district system could use an overhaul so that certain districts can receive the increased funding that they deserve.
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Old 08-11-2017, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Downtown & Brooklyn!
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One thing I like about NY is the fact that residents in Upstate realize that NYC is the state's economic driver and don't mind investing their tax dollars towards it
Uhhhhhhh..... yeah, I'm not so sure about that... lol
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:16 PM
 
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Uhhhhhhh..... yeah, I'm not so sure about that... lol
Yeah, that sentiment will vary depending on where in Upstate.
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