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It probably doesn't help that the city and the State share the same name. If New York State was called something else — literally anything else, it would probably not be as bad I'm guessing.
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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It probably doesn't help that the city and the State share the same name. If New York State was called something else — literally anything else, it would probably not be as bad I'm guessing.
That is the prevailing theory.
NYC was once New Amsterdam. It never should have been changed.
Yeah, as CookieSkoon said, NY too could as easily qualify for "rust belt."
Really, when it comes down to it, both are East Coast and Northeastern states. Southeastern Pennsylvania is Pennsylvania's Downstate NY equivalent. Obviously SE PA is on a smaller scale. Upstate NY is NY's equivalent to "the rest of Pennsylvania" (that sounds terrible, but I'm not sure how to phrase it. Rural Pennsylvania does not fit, as it is not just rural).
Both states have areas with a heavy "East Coast feel" and a rust belt / Appalachian feel.
It shouldn't! People should be smart enough to realize there is an entire state attached. All it takes is looking at a map.
It isn't rocket science.
This is what I'm talking about. Upstate goes entirely ignored and discounted and almost shunned from things it is a part of.
Indeed. When 1 in 3 NYers live outside of the NYC metro, that's still a significant chunk of the population.
Unfortunately, PA has the opposite issue, whereby rural interests are definitely OVER-represented in the legislature despite over half of Pennsylvanians living in the Philly or Pittsburgh areas.
State governments generally need to do a better job of balancing local interests across sub-regions.
Awesome thread! Both states are among my favorites!
I ultimately ended up choosing PA, although I haven't seen as much of Upstate NY as I have rural PA. Not only is Philly my favorite city, but PA also has a host of other interesting cities (Bethlehem, Easton, Scranton, Milford, etc.). Philadelphia's suburbs are also the best in the US, imo. They tend to be more historic and connected to the city by rail than any other area. Speaking of rail, Philly's MSA and CSA are the best suited MSA and CSA for sustainable future growth as Philly has the US' only truly connected commuter rail system, which is also fully electrified.
Outside of Philly, Northeast PA and the Lehigh Valley are stunning. Having Delaware Water Gap is hard to beat. Although NY has its own beaches (PA also has beaches by Lake Erie), the South Jersey portion of the Shore is superior to anything above Ocean County (with Ashbury Park being a notable exception).
One thing I like about NY is the fact that residents in Upstate realize that NYC is the state's economic driver and don't mind investing their tax dollars towards it. Rural PA residents are reluctant to fund anything related to Philly, although we subsidize the rest of the state with the tax revenues we generate. Southeast PA is also the only portion of PA experiencing growth. Another thing I like about NY is their school funding formula. PA's district system could use an overhaul so that certain districts can receive the increased funding that they deserve.
One thing I like about NY is the fact that residents in Upstate realize that NYC is the state's economic driver and don't mind investing their tax dollars towards it
Uhhhhhhh..... yeah, I'm not so sure about that... lol
Uhhhhhhh..... yeah, I'm not so sure about that... lol
Yeah, that sentiment will vary depending on where in Upstate.
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