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View Poll Results: Main City of the Sunbelt(besides LA) & Southeast
Atlanta 66 55.00%
Charlotte 1 0.83%
Dallas 29 24.17%
Houston 38 31.67%
Kansas City 1 0.83%
Miami 12 10.00%
Memphis 2 1.67%
Nashville 3 2.50%
New Orleans 2 1.67%
Phoenix 8 6.67%
St.Louis 1 0.83%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 120. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 08-22-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Historic West End
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Originally Posted by bawac34618 View Post
Tier I: Miami, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas
Tier II: Charlotte, Austin, Nashville, Raleigh-Durham, Orlando, Tampa, San Antonio
Tier III: Memphis, Louisville, Richmond, New Orleans, Birmingham, Jacksonville
Tier IV: Little Rock, Jackson, Knoxville, Charleston, Columbia, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, El Paso, Augusta, Mobile
Charleston tier IV. Okay, believe that if you want too.

 
Old 08-22-2017, 11:23 AM
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Location: Miami
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Charleston tier IV. Okay, believe that if you want too.
I'd say that's pretty much fair for Charleston.
 
Old 08-22-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Atlanta, then Houston.
 
Old 08-22-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Atlanta if it is the Southeast. Houston if the Sunbelt and going by city proper, Houston or maybe Dallas Fort Worth if the Sunbelt and going by metro
 
Old 08-22-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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I'm not sure it's equal...

Atlanta's sphere of influence basically covers all of the Carolinas and Georgia (25.418 million); maybe the northernmost ~2 million of Florida, from Tallahassee to Jacksonville; everywhere in Alabama besides the Greater Mobile area (~4.3 million); and the most southeastern region of Tennessee from Chattanooga to south of Knoxville (~1 million). Give or take up to another half a million, is say Atlanta is the de facto "city" for roughly 32-33 million people...

Measured in population, what is Houston and Dallas' spheres of influences?

Aside from just population and taking other factors into account, Houston to me is the top city in the South, but it's close. Dallas is not far behind it and seems to be experiencing healthier growth across the board, with greater potential in future projections. Atlanta is right behind Dallas...

All factors considered Miami is well behind Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta...
What is your definition of Greater Mobile? The Mobile CSA is only ~600,000, while Wikipedia lists a labor force profile from 2011 of 1.2 million within 60 miles.

Regardless, I find your analysis of Atlanta's sphere of influence to be the reason why I consider it to be the primate city of the South. Miami's influence is South Florida and the Caribbean, with most countries there not even considered American territories. Houston and Dallas each rule their respective regions of Texas, with some spillover into Louisiana for both, but they kind of cancel each other out. Atlanta's metro is larger than the next three closest and traditionally Southern metros (Charlotte, Nashville and Memphis) combined.

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Nashville is, Kansas City isn't...



Very odd title to the thread indeed. There are definitely areas of the South that aren't Sunbelt...
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The Sun Belt is more than the south.

For that matter, parts of the south are probably not in the Sun Belt.
Not to digress into a "what's Southern debate", but what areas of the South aren't Sunbelt? There are areas of the Sunbelt that aren't considered "the South" (Phoenix, San Diego, etc.), but conversely what areas in "the South" aren't considered Sunbelt? The only Southern state that I can think of that would be excluded is West Virginia, due to sunshine hours and declining demographics, and that is a crossroads of regions. Are you thinking of the term in purely physical terms, or in economic ones?

When looking at both factors, I think West Virginia is the only Southern state that isn't in the Sunbelt. I've heard of the 36th parallel as the deciding line, but that would imply that Kentucky and Virginia are not Sunbelt states. Not so sure that's the case, given the former's sunshine, especially in its southwest portion, and the latter's population growth plus sunshine.

MAP: Here Are The Parts Of The US That Get The Most Sunshine - Business Insider

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...unbelt/431838/
 
Old 08-22-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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There is no main city of the South/Sunbelt.
 
Old 08-22-2017, 01:34 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Atlanta, Miami, Houston,Dallas

Baltimore, Charlotte, Orlando, Tampa, Austin

Raleigh, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Hampton Roads, Richmond,

Mobile, Augusta, Fayetteville, Greenville
 
Old 08-22-2017, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Not to digress into a "what's Southern debate", but what areas of the South aren't Sunbelt? There are areas of the Sunbelt that aren't considered "the South" (Phoenix, San Diego, etc.), but conversely what areas in "the South" aren't considered Sunbelt? The only Southern state that I can think of that would be excluded is West Virginia, due to sunshine hours and declining demographics, and that is a crossroads of regions. Are you thinking of the term in purely physical terms, or in economic ones?

When looking at both factors, I think West Virginia is the only Southern state that isn't in the Sunbelt. I've heard of the 36th parallel as the deciding line, but that would imply that Kentucky and Virginia are not Sunbelt states. Not so sure that's the case, given the former's sunshine, especially in its southwest portion, and the latter's population growth plus sunshine.
Most of Kentucky, upper half Virginia, all of West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and Nashville are not included.

MAP: Here Are The Parts Of The US That Get The Most Sunshine - Business Insider

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...unbelt/431838/[/quote]
 
Old 08-22-2017, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Most of Kentucky, upper half Virginia, all of West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and Nashville are not included.

MAP: Here Are The Parts Of The US That Get The Most Sunshine - Business Insider

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...unbelt/431838/
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Maryland and Delaware, per the national and residential consensus, are not Southern states. Only the Census Bureau considers them as such, and that's out of pure laziness from decades ago.

"The proposal assigned many States that were on
the border of an existing region to a different region, and some to
entirely new divisions. For instance, it shifted Delaware, the District of
Columbia, and Maryland from the South Region to the Middle Atlantic
Division of the Northeast Region
; it combined Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona,
and New Mexico to form a Southwest Division within an expanded
West Region; it grouped Nevada with the Pacific States as part of a Far
West Division; and it revamped the South into two divisions, each comprising
an upper and lower tier of States.

This suggested reclassification had its merits, for on a purely statistical
basis it provided a more homogeneous set of areas than any others then
in use by the Department of Commerce
. However, the new system did
not win enough overall acceptance among data users to warrant adoption
as an official new set of general-purpose State groupings. The previous
development of many series of statistics, arranged and issued over long
periods of time on the basis of the existing State groupings, favored the
retention of the summary units of the current regions and divisions
"

https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/ref...RM/Ch6GARM.pdf

Kentucky, Virginia and Tennessee all have significant portions of their states within what is considered the Sunbelt. And if Nashville is not considered a Sunbelt city, then the term has lost its meaning.

Can Nashville Serve as a Transit Model for Sun Belt Cities?
https://urbanedge.blogs.rice.edu/201.../#.WZyQyfiGNpg
Sun Belt cities' growth comes at a cost to their cores - Houston Chronicle
 
Old 08-22-2017, 03:42 PM
 
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What is the primary city of the South/Sunbelt(Besides Los Angeles) in terms of business, economy, growth, density, downtown, tourism, transit, food, sports, urban feel, metro area, & overall?

Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, Miami, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans, Phoenix, St.Louis
Everybody who is anybody knows it is Atlanta. Everybody knows this.

Only a nobody would disagree.
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