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View Poll Results: Region with the most robust Tier III & IV cities?
Northeast 9 15.25%
Southeast 17 28.81%
Midwest 27 45.76%
Southwest 1 1.69%
West 5 8.47%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-23-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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Here's a list of cities between 500k and 1 million in population, which in my opinion would define Tier 3/4, ordered into my interpretation of their region:

Midwest
Columbus
Indianapolis
Detroit
Milwaukee

Southeast
Jacksonville
Charlotte
Nashville
Louisville

Northeast
Washington
Boston

Southwest
Fort Worth
Denver
El Paso
Oklahoma City
Las Vegas
Austin
Albuquerque
Tucson

West
Fresno
San Francisco
Seattle
Portland

Note: Atlanta, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Cincy, although frequently cited in this group, are actually smaller than 500k. To include Pittsburgh by this measure we'd also have to include places like Stockton and Anchorage.

If we instead go by Metros of 1.5 to 4.0 Million (and this makes more sense to me) we'd have:

Midwest
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI
St. Louis, MO-IL
Pittsburgh, PA
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN
Kansas City, MO-KS
Cleveland-Elyria, OH
Columbus, OH
Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson, IN
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI

Southeast
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL
Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC
Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN

Northeast
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD
Providence-Warwick, RI-MA

Southwest
San Diego-Carlsbad, CA
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
Austin-Round Rock, TX
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV

West
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA
Sacramento–Roseville–Arden-Arcade, CA
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA

Note: Metro Detroit and Phoenix Metro are larger than 4 million, making them "Tier 2", in my opinion

If we go by "City" I would have to say the West has the best resume. Tough to beat a lineup that includes San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland. If we go by "Metro" (which is what is typically meant in these types of things) I think the Midwest is the clear winner. You're talking about the stereotypical Heartland of America, the blue-collar middle class, some truly solid places which make up home to ~25% of the NFL teams there in those Tier 3/4 Midwestern Metros.

You can't look at the city population of Minneapolis and exclude St. Paul. This isn't Seattle-Tacoma or Dallas-Fort Worth where the cities are separated by 30-50 miles. I can literally stand with one foot in Minneapolis and the other in St. Paul. Or if I choose, I can stand with both feet on the border itself. it is one city in everything but census data, etc. That one city has a population of 720,000 within a pretty small footprint of about 100 sq miles.
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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Austin
Nashville
Charlotte
Orlando
Tampa
Richmond
Louisville
New Orleans
Raleigh/Durham
Jacksonville
San Antonio
Birmingham
Knoxville
Chattanooga
Greenville
Charleston


These are all south/southeast cities that can compete with Tier 3/4 cities in the other regions. I don't think the Midwest takes this that easily
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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Austin
Nashville
Charlotte
Orlando
Tampa
Richmond
Louisville
New Orleans
Raleigh/Durham
Jacksonville
San Antonio
Birmingham
Knoxville
Chattanooga
Greenville
Charleston


These are all south/southeast cities that can compete with Tier 3/4 cities in the other regions. I don't think the Midwest takes this that easily
Are all of these cities Tier 3/4 cities though? I'm not sure about that.
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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Well, the Northeast has Manchester, Worcester, Providence, Springfield, Hartford, New Haven, Bridgeport, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, Pittsburgh, Erie, Jersey City, Newark, Allentown, Reading, Harrisburg, Wilmington, Annapolis, Arlington and Alexandria. All of these cities have comparatively small populations, due to small city proper size, but their metro areas are far, far larger. If their city propers were as large as the Sunbelt cities, most of these cities would easily have populations over 400,000. They're not robust in the sense of a booming population or economy, but they're not exactly stagnant, either. Their proximity to the Big 5 gives them a disproportionate amount of cultural, economic and political power.
One of those cities is not like the others.
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Geo-Aggie View Post
Here's a list of cities between 500k and 1 million in population, which in my opinion would define Tier 3/4, ordered into my interpretation of their region:

Midwest
Columbus
Indianapolis
Detroit
Milwaukee

Southeast
Jacksonville
Charlotte
Nashville
Louisville

Northeast
Washington
Boston

Southwest
Fort Worth
Denver
El Paso
Oklahoma City
Las Vegas
Austin
Albuquerque
Tucson

West
Fresno
San Francisco
Seattle
Portland

Note: Atlanta, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Cincy, although frequently cited in this group, are actually smaller than 500k. To include Pittsburgh by this measure we'd also have to include places like Stockton and Anchorage.

If we instead go by Metros of 1.5 to 4.0 Million (and this makes more sense to me) we'd have:

Midwest
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI
St. Louis, MO-IL
Pittsburgh, PA
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN
Kansas City, MO-KS
Cleveland-Elyria, OH
Columbus, OH
Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson, IN
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI

Southeast
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL
Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC
Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN

Northeast
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD
Providence-Warwick, RI-MA

Southwest
San Diego-Carlsbad, CA
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
Austin-Round Rock, TX
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV

West
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA
Sacramento–Roseville–Arden-Arcade, CA
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA

Note: Metro Detroit and Phoenix Metro are larger than 4 million, making them "Tier 2", in my opinion

If we go by "City" I would have to say the West has the best resume. Tough to beat a lineup that includes San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland. If we go by "Metro" (which is what is typically meant in these types of things) I think the Midwest is the clear winner. You're talking about the stereotypical Heartland of America, the blue-collar middle class, some truly solid places which make up home to ~25% of the NFL teams there in those Tier 3/4 Midwestern Metros.
Using city population is a terrible way to put cities into tiers, imo. Also, why do you have Pittsburgh in the Midwest?
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Old 08-23-2017, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Using sole Populations isn't a good measure still. What about economic activity and importance of the city?
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Old 08-23-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Geo-Aggie View Post
Here's a list of cities between 500k and 1 million in population, which in my opinion would define Tier 3/4, ordered into my interpretation of their region:

Midwest
Columbus
Indianapolis
Detroit
Milwaukee

Southeast
Jacksonville
Charlotte
Nashville
Louisville

Northeast
Washington
Boston

Southwest
Fort Worth
Denver
El Paso
Oklahoma City
Las Vegas
Austin
Albuquerque
Tucson

West
Fresno
San Francisco
Seattle
Portland

Note: Atlanta, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Cincy, although frequently cited in this group, are actually smaller than 500k. To include Pittsburgh by this measure we'd also have to include places like Stockton and Anchorage.

If we instead go by Metros of 1.5 to 4.0 Million (and this makes more sense to me) we'd have:

Midwest
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI
St. Louis, MO-IL
Pittsburgh, PA
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN
Kansas City, MO-KS
Cleveland-Elyria, OH
Columbus, OH
Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson, IN
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI

Southeast
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL
Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC
Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN

Northeast
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD
Providence-Warwick, RI-MA

Southwest
San Diego-Carlsbad, CA
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX
Austin-Round Rock, TX
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV

West
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA
Sacramento–Roseville–Arden-Arcade, CA
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA

Note: Metro Detroit and Phoenix Metro are larger than 4 million, making them "Tier 2", in my opinion

If we go by "City" I would have to say the West has the best resume. Tough to beat a lineup that includes San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland. If we go by "Metro" (which is what is typically meant in these types of things) I think the Midwest is the clear winner. You're talking about the stereotypical Heartland of America, the blue-collar middle class, some truly solid places which make up home to ~25% of the NFL teams there in those Tier 3/4 Midwestern Metros.
Pittsburgh is not the midwest and technically Baltimore is in the south.
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Old 08-23-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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One of those cities is not like the others.
Which one?
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Old 08-23-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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One of those cities is not like the others.
Arlington? It's the only one that's technically not even a city.
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Old 08-23-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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I assume Chicago is Tier 1, so it's odd to me to think of the Twin Cities as Tier 3. Makes me wonder what the hell Tier 2 is. Twin Cities have basically everything any major American metro area has.
There aren't any in the Midwest. I pretty much consider them to be Miami, DC, Philly, Houston, Dallas, Boston and Atlanta.

(Actually, sometimes, I think of Chicago as a tier 2. Depends on my mood.)

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