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The year isn't over yet, anything can still happen. We're talking about Chicago after all. Over here we say: 'don't sell the fur until you shot the bear'.
Atlanta 91/19.53
Hartford 24/19.34
Chicago 511/18.71
Philadelphia 291/18.68
Washington 119/18.29
Milwaukee 109/18.1
Buffalo 46/17.86
Pittsburgh 53/17.17
Rochester 35/16.7
Miami 67/15.71
Indianapolis 128/15.03
Nashville 63/9.78
Allentown 11/9.51
Minneapolis 37/9.3
Fresno 44/8.62
Omaha 38/8.59
Boston 54/8.25
Tampa 30/8.2
Albuquerque 45/8.06
Columbia 11/8.05
Providence 14/7.95
Charleston 10/7.93
Las Vegas 122/7.93
Sacramento 36/7.44
Los Angeles 282/7.21
Charlotte 61/7.19
San Antonio 100/6.95
Fort Worth 55/6.78
Denver 42/6.31
San Francisco 53/6.31
Grand Rapids 11/5.9
Tacoma 12/5.73
Albany 5/5.22
St. Paul 15/5.02
Greenville 3/4.98
New York 390/4.64
Salt Lake City 8/4.39
Worcester 8/4.23
Raleigh 18/4.07
Virginia Beach 17/3.84
Portland 23/3.67
San Jose 35/3.53
Austin 30/3.45
Seattle 22/3.33
Honolulu 19/3.28
San Diego 38/2.81
•Something interesting I noted is that the mean for medium-to-large American cities is 13.64 murders per 100,000, as of decade-to-date. This number pales to previous decades but is still very high, and I wonder how it compares to other cities in sophisticated nations...
•23 cities (32%) fall in the range between 5-9.99/100k. 47 cities lie within the range of 2.5-14.99/100k. 35% of our large cities have a composite murder rate over 15/100...
•no large US city has a composite rate below 2.8. Are we the only sophisticated nation that can say that? Still, San Diego by far is the safest large city and it's proven annually. Only 12 (17%) of our large cities have a composite rate below 5 per 100k. As TacoSoup mentioned earlier, very ironic that the safest city in the nation happens to be a Mexican border city that the a large contingent swears they need to place a blockade on....
•Large cities in the West once again are the safest cities in the country as a group:
6 of the 12 safest cities are in the West (four in the South, two in the Northeast, CERO in the Midwest)...only one (Oakland, which incidentally has a declining murder and violent crime rate) of the 40-highest cities is in the West. The Midwest has 11 cities in the Top 40, the South has 17, the Northeast has 11...the West has one...
Only one of the West's 15 cities on here is in the 40-highest. 79% of large Midwest cities; 69% of large Northeast cities; 63% of large Southern cities; are in the 40-highest murder rate cities...
Last edited by murksiderock; 10-05-2018 at 05:48 AM..
Atlanta 91/19.53
Hartford 24/19.34
Chicago 511/18.71
Philadelphia 291/18.68
Washington 119/18.29
Milwaukee 109/18.1
Buffalo 46/17.86
Pittsburgh 53/17.17
Rochester 35/16.7
Miami 67/15.71
Indianapolis 128/15.03
Nashville 63/9.78
Allentown 11/9.51
Minneapolis 37/9.3
Fresno 44/8.62
Omaha 38/8.59
Boston 54/8.25
Tampa 30/8.2
Albuquerque 45/8.06
Columbia 11/8.05
Providence 14/7.95
Charleston 10/7.93
Las Vegas 122/7.93
Sacramento 36/7.44
Los Angeles 282/7.21
Charlotte 61/7.19
San Antonio 100/6.95
Fort Worth 55/6.78
Denver 42/6.31
San Francisco 53/6.31
Grand Rapids 11/5.9
Tacoma 12/5.73
Albany 5/5.22
St. Paul 15/5.02
Greenville 3/4.98
New York 390/4.64
Salt Lake City 8/4.39
Worcester 8/4.23
Raleigh 18/4.07
Virginia Beach 17/3.84
Portland 23/3.67
San Jose 35/3.53
Austin 30/3.45
Seattle 22/3.33
Honolulu 19/3.28
San Diego 38/2.81
•Something interesting I noted is that the mean for medium-to-large American cities is 13.64 murders per 100,000, as of decade-to-date. This number pales to previous decades but is still very high, and I wonder how it compares to other cities in sophisticated nations...
•23 cities (32%) fall in the range between 5-9.99/100k. 47 cities lie within the range of 2.5-14.99/100k. 35% of our large cities have a composite murder rate over 15/100...
•no large US city has a composite rate below 2.8. Are we the only sophisticated nation that can say that? Still, San Diego by far is the safest large city and it's proven annually. Only 12 (17%) of our large cities have a composite rate below 5 per 100k. As TacoSoup mentioned earlier, very ironic that the safest city in the nation happens to be a Mexican border city that the a large contingent swears they need to place a blockade on....
•Large cities in the West once again are the safest cities in the country as a group:
6 of the 12 safest cities are in the West (four in the South, two in the Northeast, CERO in the Midwest)...only one (Oakland, which incidentally has a declining murder and violent crime rate) of the 40-highest cities is in the West. The Midwest has 11 cities in the Top 40, the South has 17, the Northeast has 11...the West has one...
Only one of the West's 15 cities on here is in the 40-highest. 79% of large Midwest cities; 69% of large Northeast cities; 63% of large Southern cities; are in the 40-highest murder rate cities...
A couple of other things...City land size in relation to population plays a part in this.
Also, as mentioned earlier in the thread, some of these cities have other cities next to them with higher rates and some of such cities are other center cities in a multimodal metro area.
A couple of other things...City land size in relation to population plays a part in this.
Also, as mentioned earlier in the thread, some of these cities have other cities next to them with higher rates and some of such cities are other center cities in a multimodal metro area.
Let me know if I did this right or if I'm missing something:
I took Sacramento, and looked at its murder rate in comparison to 14 peer cities: Charlotte, Orlando, San Antonio, Portland, Pittsburgh, Las Vegas, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Austin, Columbus, Cleveland, Indianapolis, San Jose, Nashville...
Of those 14 cities, only three have smaller land areas than Sacramento--Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland. All three have higher core city murder rates than Sacramento, so then, is the argument if those cities were as geographically large as Sacramento, they would be safer?
Here is why that argument doesn't jibe with me. Seven of the eleven cities with larger land sizes than Sac have higher murder rates than Sacramento. By your argument, the larger the city is geographically, the safer it should be, since its physical boundaries assuredly include "suburbs". That's a false premise...
Every city has different development and settlement patterns. Were each of these cities designed at 150 square miles at founding, they would have been developed and settled differently...
The notion that because a city has a smaller land size it is prone to disproportionate violent crime rates is false. There is a way you could draw Sacramento down to 55 square miles (Pgh), or 77-sq miles (Cincy/Cleveland), and still have a lower murder or violent crime rate In Sacramento than in those cities. Hell, the proof in this is simply proved when you realize St. Paul (52-sq miles) is about physically the same size as Pittsburgh with a murder rate 3.5 times less, as well as Minneapolis (54) with a rate about half of Pittsburgh's----or Seattle (84) barely larger than Cincy or Cleveland with a rate almost seven times lower than Cleveland. The disparity shouldn't be so wide if ypur hypothesis was merited...
Atlanta 91/19.53
Hartford 24/19.34
Chicago 511/18.71
Philadelphia 291/18.68
Washington 119/18.29
Milwaukee 109/18.1
Buffalo 46/17.86 Pittsburgh 53/17.17
Rochester 35/16.7
Miami 67/15.71
Indianapolis 128/15.03
•Something interesting I noted is that the mean for medium-to-large American cities is 13.64 murders per 100,000, as of decade-to-date. This number pales to previous decades but is still very high, and I wonder how it compares to other cities in sophisticated nations...
•23 cities (32%) fall in the range between 5-9.99/100k. 47 cities lie within the range of 2.5-14.99/100k. 35% of our large cities have a composite murder rate over 15/100...
•no large US city has a composite rate below 2.8. Are we the only sophisticated nation that can say that? Still, San Diego by far is the safest large city and it's proven annually. Only 12 (17%) of our large cities have a composite rate below 5 per 100k. As TacoSoup mentioned earlier, very ironic that the safest city in the nation happens to be a Mexican border city that the a large contingent swears they need to place a blockade on....
•Large cities in the West once again are the safest cities in the country as a group:
6 of the 12 safest cities are in the West (four in the South, two in the Northeast, CERO in the Midwest)...only one (Oakland, which incidentally has a declining murder and violent crime rate) of the 40-highest cities is in the West. The Midwest has 11 cities in the Top 40, the South has 17, the Northeast has 11...the West has one...
Only one of the West's 15 cities on here is in the 40-highest. 79% of large Midwest cities; 69% of large Northeast cities; 63% of large Southern cities; are in the 40-highest murder rate cities...
Are these for the metro or the City of Pittsburgh? I just went thru all 90 neighborhoods in Pittsburgh and the total is 38 for 2018.
Let me know if I did this right or if I'm missing something:
I took Sacramento, and looked at its murder rate in comparison to 14 peer cities: Charlotte, Orlando, San Antonio, Portland, Pittsburgh, Las Vegas, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Austin, Columbus, Cleveland, Indianapolis, San Jose, Nashville...
Of those 14 cities, only three have smaller land areas than Sacramento--Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland. All three have higher core city murder rates than Sacramento, so then, is the argument if those cities were as geographically large as Sacramento, they would be safer?
Here is why that argument doesn't jibe with me. Seven of the eleven cities with larger land sizes than Sac have higher murder rates than Sacramento. By your argument, the larger the city is geographically, the safer it should be, since its physical boundaries assuredly include "suburbs". That's a false premise...
Every city has different development and settlement patterns. Were each of these cities designed at 150 square miles at founding, they would have been developed and settled differently...
The notion that because a city has a smaller land size it is prone to disproportionate violent crime rates is false. There is a way you could draw Sacramento down to 55 square miles (Pgh), or 77-sq miles (Cincy/Cleveland), and still have a lower murder or violent crime rate In Sacramento than in those cities. Hell, the proof in this is simply proved when you realize St. Paul (52-sq miles) is about physically the same size as Pittsburgh with a murder rate 3.5 times less, as well as Minneapolis (54) with a rate about half of Pittsburgh's----or Seattle (84) barely larger than Cincy or Cleveland with a rate almost seven times lower than Cleveland. The disparity shouldn't be so wide if ypur hypothesis was merited...
I said that it(annexation) plays a part, not that it is the only factor.
It may even be debatable that all of those city propers are peers as well.
My point is that if you enlarged some of the smaller cities in terms of land area to the size of some of the other cities on the list, especially many towards the bottom, the rate would decrease quite a bit. For instance, if say Rochester were the size of Austin, the rates would be similar or perhaps the same if it extended out like San Jose or even Sacramento.
On the flipside, Albuquerque likely looks different without the ability to annex.
Ironically, the Western city with the highest rate on the list, Oakland, has the second smallest land area out of the Western cities mentioned.
That is all I'm referring to and you can use various examples either way to illustrate this. I say this due to patterns of people moving further out in metros, regardless of the ability to annex or not.
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I said that it(annexation) plays a part, not that it is the only factor.
It may even be debatable that all of those city propers are peers as well.
My point is that if you enlarged some of the smaller cities in terms of land area to the size of some of the other cities on the list, especially many towards the bottom, the rate would decrease quite a bit. For instance, if say Rochester were the size of Austin, the rates would be similar or perhaps the same if it extended out like San Jose or even Sacramento.
On the flipside, Albuquerque likely looks different without the ability to annex.
Ironically, the Western city with the highest rate on the list, Oakland, has the second smallest land area out of the Western cities mentioned.
That is all I'm referring to and you can use various examples either way to illustrate this. I say this due to patterns of people moving further out in metros, regardless of the ability to annex or not.
But then you have cities like New Orleans (#2) that is 169m2; Detroit (#3) that is 139m2; Birmingham (#5) is 146m2; on and on. I really find it hard to accept this theory, as three of the five cities with the highest murder rates are over 135mi2...
You've long had an obsession with land area regardless of the topic lol...
"The ability to annex" is largely irrelevant because coties annexed at different points in time for various reasons, at various amounts of land. Annexation is not uniform, and the harder truth here is to accept that some cities have a culture of murder and violence to a higher degree than other places. The interesting thing about Pittsburgh is that it wasn't always this violent of a city; pre 2000, it was consistently one of the safest major cities, period. Something changed, but today Pittsburgh is one of the 20 most violent cities annually...
But then you have cities like New Orleans (#2) that is 169m2; Detroit (#3) that is 139m2; Birmingham (#5) is 146m2; on and on. I really find it hard to accept this theory, as three of the five cities with the highest murder rates are over 135mi2...
You've long had an obsession with land area regardless of the topic lol...
"The ability to annex" is largely irrelevant because coties annexed at different points in time for various reasons, at various amounts of land. Annexation is not uniform, and the harder truth here is to accept that some cities have a culture of murder and violence to a higher degree than other places. The interesting thing about Pittsburgh is that it wasn't always this violent of a city; pre 2000, it was consistently one of the safest major cities, period. Something changed, but today Pittsburgh is one of the 20 most violent cities annually...
Again, I'm just saying that some cities can essentially "water down" their rate in comparison to some that can't. Detroit and New Orleans are actually a couple examples of cities that haven't annexed in decades, while Birmingham has.
While some do have a higher culture of violence and murder, it is also hard to not recognize that all cities aren't equal in terms of rates due to adjustments some can/have made in terms of city land areas over relatively recent years in comparison to some other cities. That in turn is what can impact the comparison of cities in this regard and in terms of other metrics. That's all...
Last edited by ckhthankgod; 10-05-2018 at 02:34 PM..
Again, I'm just saying that some cities can essentially "water down" their rate in comparison to some that can't. Detroit and New Orleans are actually a couple examples of cities that haven't annexed in decades, while Birmingham has.
While some do have a higher culture of violence and murder, it is also hard to not recognize that all cities aren't equal in terms of rates due to adjustments some can/have made in terms of city land areas over relatively recent years in comparison to some other cities. That in turn is what can impact the comparison of cities in this regard and in terms of other metrics. That's all...
So true. I dont use stats to judge safety because I know in most cases it isn't apples to apples comparison.
Last edited by mjtinmemphis; 10-08-2018 at 09:43 AM..
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Major & Mid-Size City Murder Rates, 2010-2017 (per FBI UCR)
