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Old 04-19-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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To put this in academic context, I have listed the bars below based on density using land area for each city. It's inaccurate to quantify a numerical total for a variable trying to achieve an apples to apples approach without taking into account the amount of land used to make that calculation. The comparison is still not precise because we don't know how many bars are included in city limits versus right on the outskirts, but at least it adds more context when comparing a city like LA, Houston, or Austin, to cities like Miami, Boston, and San Francisco which are all smaller than 50 sq. miles. This should give some context to the comparison below.

San Francisco: 453 = Density of Bars = 9.66 bars per square mile

Miami: 266 = Density of Bars = 7.39 bars per square mile

New York: 2,222 = Density of Bars = 7.34 bars per square mile

Washington DC: 335 = Density of Bars = 5.49 bars per square mile

Pittsburgh: 272 = Density of Bars = 4.91 bars per square mile

Seattle: 392 = Density of Bars = 4.67 bars per square mile

Philadelphia: 622 = Density of Bars = 4.64 bars per square mile

Chicago: 963 = Density of Bars = 4.24 bars per square mile

Las Vegas: 518 = Density of Bars = 3.81 bars per square mile

Boston: 176 = Density of Bars = 3.63 bars per square mile

Cleveland: 282 = Density of Bars = 3.63 bars per square mile

Minneapolis: 190 = Density of Bars = 3.46 bars per square mile

Milwaukee: 305 = Density of Bars = 3.17 bars per square mile

Portland: 332 = Density of Bars = 2.50 bars per square mile

Baltimore: 197 = Density of Bars = 2.44 bars per square mile

Denver: 367 = Density of Bars = 2.39 bars per square mile

Atlanta: 305 = Density of Bars = 2.29 bars per square mile

Los Angeles: 965 = Density of Bars = 2.06 bars per square mile

New Orleans: 219 = Density of Bars = 1.29 bars per square mile

Dallas: 416 = Density of Bars = 1.22 bars per square mile

San Diego: 341 = Density of Bars = 1.05 bars per square mile

Austin: 277 = Density of Bars = 0.93 bars per square mile

San Jose: 146 = Density of Bars = 0.82 bars per square mile

Houston: 485 = Density of Bars = 0.77 bars per square mile

Phoenix: 308 = Density of Bars = 0.60 bars per square mile

Salt Lake City: 40 = Density of Bars = 0.37 bars per square mile

Nashville: 155 = Density of Bars = 0.31 bars per square mile

Indianapolis: 109 = Density of Bars = 0.30 bars per square mile
I know you can do this for other cities, but I bet the vast majority of Houston’s 485 bars are inside loop 610. Same for Dallas inside loop 12.
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Old 04-19-2018, 12:39 PM
 
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Wow, Indianapolis and Nashville have less than 1 bar per 3 square miles!?! I don't know those cities, but kind of hard to believe!
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Old 04-19-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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Wow, Indianapolis and Nashville have less than 1 bar per 3 square miles!?! I don't know those cities, but kind of hard to believe!
I’m sure that’s not the case in the denser, more developed parts of these cities. Those are just both cities with sprawling boundaries and a lot of undeveloped, low density areas so it gets dilluted. That’s why I think it’s also useful to look at the sheer volume as well as the per capita (both are imperfect measures that don’t tell the full story). That said, Indianapolis is near the bottom on both lists so this is clearly not a category it excels in.
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Old 04-19-2018, 01:59 PM
 
Location: New York, N.Y.
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To put this in academic context, I have listed the bars below based on density using land area for each city. It's inaccurate to quantify a numerical total for a variable trying to achieve an apples to apples approach without taking into account the amount of land used to make that calculation. The comparison is still not precise because we don't know how many bars are included in city limits versus right on the outskirts, but at least it adds more context when comparing a city like LA, Houston, or Austin, to cities like Miami, Boston, and San Francisco which are all smaller than 50 sq. miles. This should give some context to the comparison below.

San Francisco: 453 = Density of Bars = 9.66 bars per square mile

Miami: 266 = Density of Bars = 7.39 bars per square mile

New York: 2,222 = Density of Bars = 7.34 bars per square mile

Washington DC: 335 = Density of Bars = 5.49 bars per square mile

Pittsburgh: 272 = Density of Bars = 4.91 bars per square mile

Seattle: 392 = Density of Bars = 4.67 bars per square mile

Philadelphia: 622 = Density of Bars = 4.64 bars per square mile

Chicago: 963 = Density of Bars = 4.24 bars per square mile

Las Vegas: 518 = Density of Bars = 3.81 bars per square mile

Boston: 176 = Density of Bars = 3.63 bars per square mile

Cleveland: 282 = Density of Bars = 3.63 bars per square mile

Minneapolis: 190 = Density of Bars = 3.46 bars per square mile

Milwaukee: 305 = Density of Bars = 3.17 bars per square mile

Portland: 332 = Density of Bars = 2.50 bars per square mile

Baltimore: 197 = Density of Bars = 2.44 bars per square mile

Denver: 367 = Density of Bars = 2.39 bars per square mile

Atlanta: 305 = Density of Bars = 2.29 bars per square mile

Los Angeles: 965 = Density of Bars = 2.06 bars per square mile

New Orleans: 219 = Density of Bars = 1.29 bars per square mile

Dallas: 416 = Density of Bars = 1.22 bars per square mile

San Diego: 341 = Density of Bars = 1.05 bars per square mile

Austin: 277 = Density of Bars = 0.93 bars per square mile

San Jose: 146 = Density of Bars = 0.82 bars per square mile

Houston: 485 = Density of Bars = 0.77 bars per square mile

Phoenix: 308 = Density of Bars = 0.60 bars per square mile

Salt Lake City: 40 = Density of Bars = 0.37 bars per square mile

Nashville: 155 = Density of Bars = 0.31 bars per square mile

Indianapolis: 109 = Density of Bars = 0.30 bars per square mile
Could you do this for Manhattan?
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Could you do this for Manhattan?
I don't think it's possible to get that level of precision for such a small, dense area using this Yelp methodology - other dense areas (e.g. Brooklyn, Queens, Jersey City) would inevitably get in the map area. You could maybe do something super, super rough but not sure it would be worth it.
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Yeah, Miami is definitely not a bar city.
266 with only 36 square miles, is a lot actually,. . . especially when compared to Houstons 485 within 600 square miles.
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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I know you can do this for other cities, but I bet the vast majority of Houston’s 485 bars are inside loop 610. Same for Dallas inside loop 12.
The odd patchwork of dry towns and municipalities in DFW forces most of the nightlife and strip clubs to be in Dallas city limits.
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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I like the post from MDAllstar, I think bars per square mile says a lot more than raw numbers. It would also be really useful to see how many bars there are compared to the number of people per each city - if anyone has the time for those calculations...
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: MPLS/CHI
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The flaw with MDAllstar's post is the OP said the numbers include city plus surrounding areas. MDAllstar uses city limits but does not account for the areas that are included outside of each city. So, cities like DC and San Francisco with smaller city limits will show more bars per square mile.
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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Vegas and Miami Beach I would say and New Orleans. I believe if I am not mistaken Vegas and New Orleans are 24 hour liquor license cities and Miami is partly depending on the type of license they have to operate.
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