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Old 10-02-2018, 04:10 PM
 
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Not really...

There are 42 markets with at least one major league sports franchise (NFL, MLB, NBA, MLS, NHL). 19 have a larger market than Sacramento. 22 have a smaller market than Sacramento. There is no reason to consider Sacramento a "small market" or neither on the "small side of the scale"...

These numbers align when taking all other measurements of size into account...

I think it has more to do with the legacy stature of sports teams and cities. Sacramento has had its NBA franchise since '85. If it wasn't so close to The Bay, there would be more than one franchise in the city, as Sacramento isn't a small city and is larger across all fronts than many legacy cities that developed sooner and have had their sports franchises longer...
Of 28 total NBA markets, 20 are larger.
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Old 10-02-2018, 04:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Of 28 total NBA markets, 20 are larger.
How would that be possible if Sacramento is the 20th largest in the country? Seattle and Tampa that are larger markets donít have teams, and you add Toronto that not included in the USA markets. It should be 18 markets are larger.
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Old 10-02-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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How would that be possible if Sacramento is the 20th largest in the country? Seattle and Tampa that are larger markets donít have teams, and you add Toronto that not included in the USA markets. It should be 18 markets are larger.
Youíre right. 19 NBA markets are bigger (Toronto).
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Old 10-02-2018, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Either way, Sacramento is a small market.

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Old 10-02-2018, 04:54 PM
 
Location: California x North Carolina (soon)...
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Either way, Sacramento is a small market.
Explain the reasoning in that to me. Not that you're the supreme authority on this, but if Sacramento is the 20th-largest market, and we consider it a "small" market, where is the threshold between large and small? Is 1.5 million-plus large, and everything else below that "small"? No "mid-sized" or "medium" markets?

This site is hilarious. Sacramento is notoriously overlooked by virtue of its location, but is a larger and more rounded city than the general public give it credit for...
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Old 10-02-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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Explain the reasoning in that to me. Not that you're the supreme authority on this, but if Sacramento is the 20th-largest market, and we consider it a "small" market, where is the threshold between large and small? Is 1.5 million-plus large, and everything else below that "small"? No "mid-sized" or "medium" markets?

This site is hilarious. Sacramento is notoriously overlooked by virtue of its location, but is a larger and more rounded city than the general public give it credit for...
If you split NBA teams into three tiers, Sacramento would be in the third tier.
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Old 10-02-2018, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Rochester
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Cord cutting shouldn’t affect media market size. You are still part of the broadcast TV and terrestrial radio market.
But these rankings are by number of TV households, so consumer behavior such as cord cutting as well as population changes would all effect media market size. I remember looking at these rankings years ago and I seem to recall some pretty different numbers. I'm talking hundreds of thousands of TV households differences.

As a side note, this old thread is pretty interesting to go back to now. There are maps of media markets circa 2004 and other interesting tidbits of data to compare to the 2019 info.
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Old 10-02-2018, 05:27 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I have to wonder how much of it is population change and how much is cord cutting.

Tampa likely has an increase of older residents who are more likely to watch basic/cable.

I haven't had a t.v. subscription in years.
Tampa Bay is actually simply a more populated area then Phoenix or Seattle, but the MSA does not include the entire area, and it doesn't have a CSA. The area that's within Tampa Bay's market has over 4.8 million people.
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Old 10-02-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Why are the numbers for a few of them decreasing over time despite the metro areas growing?
The numbers for all of them are decreasing over time. It just fluctuates from year to year, for example, New York was one of the rare few Top 20 markets that posted gains this year. When you look at last year, New York was posting losses just like everywhere else.

Because people are discovering other means to entertain themselves that aren't related to television anymore. There are less households that have television sets now than before and trends indicate that in majority of the media markets that decline is an inevitability.

The Internet and especially Internet on a mobile device is the primary detractor to television markets but there are other medians as well. The television industry sees the writing on the wall but they know that they have some time to adapt to the changing trends:

https://www.mediapost.com/publicatio...elsen-tel.html
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Old 10-02-2018, 07:17 PM
 
Location: California x North Carolina (soon)...
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If you split NBA teams into three tiers, Sacramento would be in the third tier.
You've changed the crux of the argument from "sports market" to "NBA teams". I'll agree to disagree on the larger point...
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