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View Poll Results: Which US city has the greatest degree of regional domination?
Atlanta (S) 63 33.16%
Austin (S) 0 0%
Baltimore (E) 2 1.05%
Boston (NE) 20 10.53%
Buffalo (NE) 1 0.53%
Charlotte (S) 2 1.05%
Chicago (MW) 83 43.68%
Cincinnati (MW) 1 0.53%
Cleveland (MW) 1 0.53%
Columbus (MW) 1 0.53%
Dallas (S) 24 12.63%
Denver (W) 18 9.47%
Detroit (MW) 2 1.05%
Houston (S) 7 3.68%
Indianapolis (MW) 3 1.58%
Jacksonville (S) 1 0.53%
Kansas City (MW) 4 2.11%
Las Vegas (W) 1 0.53%
Los Angeles (W) 43 22.63%
Louisville (S) 1 0.53%
Memphis (S) 1 0.53%
Miami (S) 9 4.74%
Milwaukee (MW) 2 1.05%
Minneapolis (MW) 3 1.58%
Nashville (S) 4 2.11%
New Orleans (S) 5 2.63%
New York (NE) 67 35.26%
Orlando (S) 2 1.05%
Philadelphia (NE) 4 2.11%
Phoenix (W) 3 1.58%
Pittsburgh (NE) 3 1.58%
Portland (W) 0 0%
Sacramento (W) 1 0.53%
St. Louis (MW) 2 1.05%
Salt Lake (W) 1 0.53%
San Antonio (S) 1 0.53%
San Diego (W) 2 1.05%
San Francisco (W) 16 8.42%
San Jose (W) 3 1.58%
Seattle (W) 11 5.79%
Tampa (S) 1 0.53%
Washington (NE) 7 3.68%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 190. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-03-2018, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I agree that Atlanta's sphere of influence doesn't extend to the entire South, but I'd argue that it has the widest sphere of influence within the undisputed South (which also extends to north FL and MS to an extent). That's a result of Atlanta being more centralized within the region and not located along the fringes and as a result, practically no one questions the geographic or cultural identity of Atlanta and the places within its sphere of influence. But at the end of the day, Miami really isn't in contention for the most dominant city within the South for obvious reasons.
Oof, I meant to say folks in southern Florida would not consider their big city to be Atlanta. I see what youíre saying about the undisputed south. I still think Miami and Houston are still technically southern and major enough that Atlanta is not as good of a candidate as Chicago.
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I'm not seeing Miami's influence at all in Northern Florida, the Panhandle, or Southern Georgia...
I didnít say anything about that..?
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Old 11-03-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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Oof, I meant to say folks in southern Florida would not consider their big city to be Atlanta. I see what youíre saying about the undisputed south. I still think Miami and Houston are still technically southern and major enough that Atlanta is not as good of a candidate as Chicago.
Houston (and also Dallas), sure. Miami isn't nearly as much of a factor though--not because it isn't a major city, but because its domestic influence is much more limited in scope. That's the linchpin.
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Boston may not dominate the Northeast but its clearly dominant in New England. Boston is the only major city in New England.
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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There are sooo many levels to "influence."

What airport is your transfer point to that overseas flight?

What teams do you watch?

What city do you admire, which might influence your cultural outlook?

Where's the regional office of your employer/supplier/consulate/etc.?

Where do you go for conventions?

I'd probably vote Denver because it's the only major city for a very long way. SLC is too far behind.

Seattle sorta, but not as much. Portland is clearly second but its size makes it less reliant on the bigger sibling, and it shares some of those region-leading functions.
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Old 11-03-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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This is definitely not true for Charlotte, Birmingham, or Jacksonville. I see Atlanta's influence in Raleigh, all Alabama cities, and some Mississippi cities. Northern Florida is much more like an extension of Georgia than it is of Miami. Nashville and Kentucky cities are questionable since they are not in the Piedmont, but Mutiny77 is correct in saying that Atlanta is the region's dominant city and does influence millions of inhabitants. There are no other cities (metro) as large or economically/and or socially important for several hundred miles. No other city has the amenities, culture, or infrastructure of the Atlanta region for the Southeast. Turn on your tv and see who is campaigning for Stacey Abrams. That is Atlanta in a nutshell.
I think you guys are confusing relevance with dominance.
ATL is relevant to the entire south east. In fact it is relevant to the entire US.
I am not saying in Raleigh people act like ATL doesn't exist, what I'm saying is Raleigh is a city big enough that it is self sufficient and people in and around Raleigh think of the Raleigh Durham area as the big city and not ATL. Of course they think of ATL as the bigger city but it isn't like the relationship between Macon and ATL.

Same for the Alabama cities. Atlanta is the biggest in the area, but for the southern part Montgomery is the big city in the area, Birmingham for the northeastern part, and so on and so on.

In Texas for example Houston is much bigger than San Antonio. Houston is on San Antonio radar, but Houston does not dominate San Antonio or parts west of San Antonio. Again people there may visit Houston maybe to catch a flight or to go to a diplomatic mission, but Houston doesn't dominate SA in the least.

ATL dominance is being confused with is proximity to an equal sized city. That's not how things work. If that was true then Mexico City would be the dominant city in Texas as there is nothing comparable in size between it and New York


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Montgomery...you forgot Montgomery. Since you included a city so small, you might as well throw in Columbus, Augusta, Chattanooga, and Macon. Just keep Atlanta's influence completely within Georgia.

And I find this notion to be utterly ridiculous myself. Obviously Atlanta's influence wanes past those cities but to say it is completely absent is way off base. For some reason, I don't think you'd ever say that Dallas's and/or Houston's influence doesn't extend past San Anonio or Austin.
Montgomery too. The megaregion interconnectivity map in the post I quoted above shows what I'm talking about. I was generous giving ATL of of Georgia and spilling into neighboring states. But the dominance may be smaller. It looks like Savannah is holding it's own in the southeast part of the state and Tallahassee is spilling in to the South West part instead of the other way around.

Again who says anything about non-existent? I never said that Atlanta influential was non-existent in the neighboring states? And yes I would and did say that Houstons influence does not extent pay San Antonio. When you get to San Antonio that becomes the big city for parts west. ATL is hemmed in by Nashville, Birmingham, Montgomery, Charlotte, Jacksonville and I would add Savannah and Tallahassee.
You might not think of them as being big but to people in surrounding micropolitan areas, Savannah, Tallahassee and Montgomery is The city for them. Not Atlanta.
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:53 PM
 
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Atlanta is the hegemon of The American South.
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Old 11-03-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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I think you guys are confusing relevance with dominance.
ATL is relevant to the entire south east. In fact it is relevant to the entire US.
I am not saying in Raleigh people act like ATL doesn't exist, what I'm saying is Raleigh is a city big enough that it is self sufficient and people in and around Raleigh think of the Raleigh Durham area as the big city and not ATL. Of course they think of ATL as the bigger city but it isn't like the relationship between Macon and ATL.

Same for the Alabama cities. Atlanta is the biggest in the area, but for the southern part Montgomery is the big city in the area, Birmingham for the northeastern part, and so on and so on.

In Texas for example Houston is much bigger than San Antonio. Houston is on San Antonio radar, but Houston does not dominate San Antonio or parts west of San Antonio. Again people there may visit Houston maybe to catch a flight or to go to a diplomatic mission, but Houston doesn't dominate SA in the least.

ATL dominance is being confused with is proximity to an equal sized city. That's not how things work. If that was true then Mexico City would be the dominant city in Texas as there is nothing comparable in size between it and New York




Montgomery too. The megaregion interconnectivity map in the post I quoted above shows what I'm talking about. I was generous giving ATL of of Georgia and spilling into neighboring states. But the dominance may be smaller. It looks like Savannah is holding it's own in the southeast part of the state and Tallahassee is spilling in to the South West part instead of the other way around.

Again who says anything about non-existent? I never said that Atlanta influential was non-existent in the neighboring states? And yes I would and did say that Houstons influence does not extent pay San Antonio. When you get to San Antonio that becomes the big city for parts west. ATL is hemmed in by Nashville, Birmingham, Montgomery, Charlotte, Jacksonville and I would add Savannah and Tallahassee.
You might not think of them as being big but to people in surrounding micropolitan areas, Savannah, Tallahassee and Montgomery is The city for them. Not Atlanta.
This is why I said earlier that we see this differently. There's a reason why I prefer to talk about "influence" as opposed to "dominance." I find the latter to be a much more amorphous concept than the former.
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:13 PM
 
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I mean, if we are talking about influence, then I don't see why Houston and DFW being close to each other somehow hurts their case. They are very close in size but, while neither dominates the other, they certainly strongly influence each other, about evenly,as well as the entire Texas triangle and parts of Louisiana. Meaning DFW is in Houston's sphere of influence and Houston is in DFW's sphere of influence.
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Boston : New England :: DC : Mid-Atlantic (VA,MD,DC,DE)
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