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View Poll Results: What cities in the poll in 1950, were leaders of the US in terms of the following, but today are a s
Boston, MA 1 0.76%
New York City, NY 2 1.52%
Newark, NJ 2 1.52%
Hartford, CT 2 1.52%
Providence, RI 0 0%
Buffalo, NY 8 6.06%
Rochester, NY 3 2.27%
Erie, PA 0 0%
Pittsburgh, PA 3 2.27%
Philadelphia, PA 3 2.27%
Baltimore, MD 2 1.52%
Syracuse, NY 0 0%
Albany, NY 0 0%
Cleveland, OH 11 8.33%
Cincinnati, OH 3 2.27%
Detroit, MI 59 44.70%
Grand Rapids, MI 0 0%
Chicago, IL 7 5.30%
Milwaukee, WI 0 0%
St Louis, MO 15 11.36%
Kansas City, MO 1 0.76%
Toledo, OH 1 0.76%
Akron, OH 0 0%
Dayton, OH 0 0%
Denver, CO 0 0%
Albuquerque, NM 0 0%
Las Vegas, NV 0 0%
Oklahoma City, OK 1 0.76%
San Francisco, CA 0 0%
Omaha, NE 0 0%
New Orleans, LA 2 1.52%
Minneapolis, MN 0 0%
Memphis, TN 3 2.27%
Atlanta, GA 2 1.52%
Birmingham, AL 1 0.76%
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:22 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Here is a link to the historical populations metropolitan areas: https://www.peakbagger.com/pbgeog/histmetropop.aspx

St. Louis: St Louis metro area has grown continually. It has not grown fast enough to stop St Louis from losing significant influence. St Louis was ranked 8th in 1950, it is ranked 21st now. I think St. Louis benefits from relative stability in its metro growth and has not lost as much influence as the above cities.
Just a heads up that your St. Louis figure is a bit off. The MSA is currently at 2,807,000.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: East Tennessee and Atlanta
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Then if you knew the answer, what was the point of making this thread? To pour on the past-their-prime, derelict rust-belt cities?
It's not about "knowing" the answer, it has everything to do with the sharing of discussion, and to learn experiences of others and histories of other cities that others may know and want to share.

This thread is generally a wonderful resource for folks to come and read others' opinions, experiences and gain some knowledge about cities and regions. That's the point in general with most of the posts I see here.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, NYC
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Detroit, MI is just a sad depressing tale and if it's getting better, it's doing it at such a marginal pace that might get wiped out when a recession hits. That being said, last time I was there was 2012 plus a layover in 2017 where I didn't leave the airport. I haven't had any reason to return.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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Detroit, MI is just a sad depressing tale and if it's getting better, it's doing it at such a marginal pace that might get wiped out when a recession hits. That being said, last time I was there was 2012 plus a layover in 2017 where I didn't leave the airport. I haven't had any reason to return.
Detroit's current state isn't quite as grim as you seem to believe; just google 'Detroit Revitalization' and see for yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=detr...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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Old 04-20-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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Who’ll be the winner?
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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This poll is straight garbage. You've got Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, San Francisco, Minneapolis, and Atlanta on this list. All of these places are stronger and more important now than they were in 1950.
Postwar NYC and Chicago were essentially unrivaled in the world and the US back in 1950. Their influence, along with Boston and Philadelphia peaked around 1950 or before. Nowadays, places like Tokyo, London, Paris, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore, etc. easily rival these cities. Postwar, most of these places were in ruins and rebuilding. Even American cities like LA and or SF/bay area rival NYC and Chicago.

So no, it isn't "garbage" just because you struggle to understand these cities in the context of the 1950s.
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Old 04-20-2019, 06:37 PM
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Location: Boston
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Postwar NYC and Chicago were essentially unrivaled in the world and the US back in 1950. Their influence, along with Boston and Philadelphia peaked around 1950 or before.
Uhh I can’t speak for the other cities, but I really don’t think Boston peaked in 1950. In fact, I think the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s were some of the darkest decades in the city’s history in terms of crime, economic stagnation, urban decay, etc.

The 60s were probably rock bottom for Boston due to the Strangler, the Combat Zone, the Winter Hill Gang, and the demolition of the West End. However, the 70s and 80s with the busing crisis and the rise of Whitey Bulger also weren't great.

I don't think it would take a considerable stretch of the imagination to say that the ongoing robotics/biotech/pharma boom in the area has made Boston much more influential and relevant today than it was in 1950.

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Old 04-20-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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Detroit, MI is just a sad depressing tale and if it's getting better, it's doing it at such a marginal pace that might get wiped out when a recession hits. That being said, last time I was there was 2012 plus a layover in 2017 where I didn't leave the airport. I haven't had any reason to return.
As far as population growth, Detroit metro has grown every census for the past 70 years:

Historical population
Census Pop. %±
1950 3,016,197 —
1960 3,762,360 24.7%
1970 4,307,470 14.5%
1980 4,353,365 1.1%
1990 4,482,299 3.0%
2000 4,752,557 6.0%
2010 5,196,250 9.3%
Est. 2017 5,992,060 15.3%
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:46 PM
 
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As far as population growth, Detroit metro has grown every census for the past 70 years:

Historical population
Census Pop. %±
1950 3,016,197 —
1960 3,762,360 24.7%
1970 4,307,470 14.5%
1980 4,353,365 1.1%
1990 4,482,299 3.0%
2000 4,752,557 6.0%
2010 5,196,250 9.3%
Est. 2017 5,992,060 15.3%
What is the source of these numbers? These do not match either the MSA or CSA numbers for Detroit, and the wikipedia page that these are copied from doesn't indicate a source, or even their definition of "Metro Detroit."

Using the standard 6-county MSA for Detroit used by the Census Bureau:
1950 3,219,256 26.5%
1960 4,012,607 24.6%
1970 4,490,902 11.9%
1980 4,387,783 −2.3%
1990 4,266,654 −2.8%
2000 4,441,551 4.1%
2010 4,296,250 −3.3%
Est. 2018 4,326,442 [50] 0.7%

reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Detroit
and
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...xhtml?src=bkmk
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Old 04-20-2019, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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I gotta go with Buffalo. Its metro growth has been pathetic, second only to Pittsburgh. Unfortunately for Buffalo, Pittsburgh has developed a much better reputation than Buffalo today, so that unarguably Buffalo has fallen farther. It is so sad to see the state of decline of Upstate NY in general...and with the way NYS is being run we will keep leaving.
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