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View Poll Results: Which region has better cities
New England 13 20.63%
Mid Atlantic 50 79.37%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-08-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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They’re very similar to southern New England but I disagree.Hudson Valley is pretty much NE though, Albany down thru Westchester..maybe Poughkeepsie
The Hudson Valley is probably the least New England part of New York outside of NYC proper, due to everything from the old Dutch colonial influence to the number of rowhouses and other brick residential buildings in the core of the old towns. It feels its own thing.

The rest of Upstate New York and Long Island were mostly settled by Yankees in the early 19th century though, and do have a very "New England" vibe.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: The City
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To echo Magicstar above, DE and MD are the epitome of mid-Atlantic for me. There’s no way you can say that Rochester or Plattsburgh are more mid-Atlantic than Annapolis.


as someone who grew up in this region NJ to me is the epotime of the Mid Atlantic; there is a ton of stuff named mid Atlantic


for me the Mid Atlantic historically is DE, NJ, PA and NY (historic reference) which are part of the northeast (as is new England; they are the two sub regions of the mid Atlantic)


more recently MD and NOVA sort of get lumped in to the Mid Atlantic but historically were not as they considered southern historically but for me the modern incarnation is to include the NE corridor cities


I am continually confused as someone who grew up in the Mid Atlantic to be told its not by people who live outside of the area, very confused


the name isn't map based its tied to historic naming dating back prior to the civil war


and quite honestly not that I personally feel all of VA is mid Atlantic if you put VA in you should also put W Va in as it has far more in common with PA, MD, and VA than it does other parts of Appalachia IMHO




on the small towns referenced earlier; I think would be an interesting comparison however I think the MA has more less desirable smaller cities/towns than does New England but might match in quantity and quality of these places


that said the Mid Atlantic is the most populated area of the country and if expanding is probably equal to CA in population in a much smaller footprint
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:26 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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How are we defining the Mid-Atlantic here?
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I just went with the wiki definition of NY, PA, MD, NJ, DE, and DC.
according to the u.s. census bureau, de, md, washington, d.c. are in the south:
https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/map.../us_regdiv.pdf
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Boston
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according to the u.s. census bureau, de, md, washington, d.c. are in the south:
https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/map.../us_regdiv.pdf
So Erie, PA is a Mid Atlantic city?

I always thought the region had something to do with having proximity to the Atlantic Ocean. I guess I was mistaken.
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:55 PM
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Location: New Haven, CT
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First of all, Virginia a lower proportion of African Americans than Maryland, Delaware, and North Carolina. If Virginia were as Southern as you claim it to be, than why are African Americans in Virginia not nearly as poor as African Americans further south? Why do cities in Virginia have Rowhouses? North Carolina does not have any rowhouses. Very few cities in the south have any rowhouses. Also North Carolina has a Gullah population. It is small but not state North of North Carolina has one. It is a Southern thing.

How do explain Richmonds Jewish population? Richmond historically had the forth highest proportion of Jewish residents in the country with over 25% of merchants in Richmond being Jewish. Today, Richmond city still has the highest percentage of Jewish people in the State and it is majority African American. Neighborhoods such as Carver and Sauers Garden were founded and settled by Jewish and German Immigrants. Richmond has an abundance of its culture that came from a wave of immigration in the 1800s.

Richmond historically had more industry than the rest of the South combined. Not to mention that Cotton (The most iconic Southern crop) was not grown in this region.

Richmond also voted against joining the confederacy.

Virginia actually has the highest population density in the South outside of Maryland and Delaware. The south also is not the most rural area of the country. So your opinion on how rural Virginia is is subjective.


While most of what you said is true, Richmond also has a much different culture than areas further south. That is what makes it a mix.


Lastly, the Mason Dixon line settled a border dispute. Maryland and Delaware are also below the line and are included in the South by the US census. The Chesapeake Bay is the most defining factor of Virginias Geography. It is what has defined Virginia culture since its founding. Obviously, Virginia is in whatever region the Chesapeake Bay is in. Most sources say that the Bay is in the Mid-Atlantic.

So please do not make comments based on facts that have been taken out of context. Instead of reading the basic facts. Read some in-depth articles and look in between the lines to figure out the whole truth. Never judge a book by its cover.

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Old 02-08-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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New England is pretty much dominated by Boston I feel, even though it has smaller cities like Providence, Stamford, New Haven, Portsmouth, Portland, Burlington, etc.

Mid-Atlantic has NYC, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Baltimore.

Mid-Atlantic definitely wins here in my opinion
Pittsburgh and Buffalo
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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more recently MD and NOVA sort of get lumped in to the Mid Atlantic but historically were not as they considered southern historically but for me the modern incarnation is to include the NE corridor cities

In my entire lifetime which began in the 80's I have known Maryland to be mid-Atlantic in it's entirety. So recently like when?
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Best cities in New England: Brattleboro, Worcester, Manchester, Augusta

Best cities in the Mid-Atlantic: Charleston (WV), Roanoke, Charlotte, Macon
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Old 02-10-2019, 06:19 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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best cities in new england: Brattleboro, worcester, manchester, augusta

best cities in the mid-atlantic: Charleston (wv), roanoke, charlotte, macon
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Old 02-10-2019, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Boston
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People like Providence and New Haven much more than Manchester.

Also northern cities like Lewiston, Rutland, and Presque Isle get forgotten just as much as southern cities like Pittsfield, Torrington, and Norwich in my experience.
Fair enough Manchester and Nashua are dumps that are solidly in northern NE, but they have a few southern NE aspects to them. Mostly just due to larger size and marginally more diversity and proximity to MA.
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